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Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

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Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post
Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV
For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.
I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:26 am
Capbook wrote: Mon Jul 15, 2024 11:18 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 9:54 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 4:33 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:59 pm
Wootah wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:57 am [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #47]

OK who is the Father's bride ... ?
ISAIAH 54:5

“For your Grand Maker is as your husband, Jehovah of armies is his name, And the Holy One of Israel is your Repurchaser
Wootah wrote: Sun Jul 07, 2024 5:57 am ... who is Jesus bride?
2 CORINTHIAN 1:1; 11:2

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through God’s will, and Timothy+ our brother, to the congregation of God that is in Corinth, including all the holy ones who are in all Achaʹia: ... 2For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy, for I personally promised you in marriage to one husband that I might present you as a chaste virgin to the Christ
Do you mean there will be two marriages?
The scriptures speak, what I mean is irrelevant.

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May I ask, how to reconcile the two verses without explanation then.

Yes, you can. I'm sure God will show you in due time.



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I mean from you if you may.

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jul 16, 2024 3:29 am
I mean from you if you may.

Have a great day also.
You may ask me of course; but I am not comfortable violating 2 Timothy 3:16. I leave the "setting things straight to God".


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 1:34 pm
Wootah wrote: Mon Jul 08, 2024 7:11 am It's a debating website. if you are posting on behalf of God that's news to me. I think any scripture should be explained by the person posting it.
Take that up with God, his own words are clear enough for those that have ears to hear (see 2 Timothy 3v16 for further on this point).
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1213 wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:24 am ...
I believe what is said in the Bible:

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5
I agree , the "mediator" in thus passage is Jesus (The son) and For here refers to Almight God the Father. So I would conclude that both are not the same indivdual.
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #64]

Good day, I am also eager to hear what's your response to Wootah per Moderator's advise in Post#63.

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John 3 27 To this John replied, “A person can receive only what is given them from heaven. 28 You yourselves can testify that I said, ‘I am not the Messiah but am sent ahead of him.’ 29 The bride belongs to the bridegroom. The friend who attends the bridegroom waits and listens for him, and is full of joy when he hears the bridegroom’s voice. That joy is mine, and it is now complete. 30 He must become greater; I must become less.”[h]

31 The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. 32 He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony. 33 Whoever has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. 34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. 35 The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Seems clear the Father loves the Son and the Son is the bridegroom.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:45 am. BTW, Jehovah is not husband to literal Israel any more since they as a whole rejected Jesus as the Messiah.
That is a good point; Jehovah is no longer "married to the fleshly nation or Israel. And also the wedding of that lamb has yet to take place. Its a future event that will happen just before Armageddon.


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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jul 18, 2024 11:46 am
onewithhim wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 10:45 am. BTW, Jehovah is not husband to literal Israel any more since they as a whole rejected Jesus as the Messiah.
That is a good point; Jehovah is no longer "married to the fleshly nation or Israel. And also the wedding of that lamb has yet to take place. Its a future event that will happen just before Armageddon.


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Who is the lamb and who is the lamb marrying?
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EBA wrote: Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:49 am
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: (1Pe_2:9) 

Peace.
This is because born again Christians are to rule as kings. Royal Priests were not possible under the Mosaic law as the KINGS and Priests were always from two different tribes.
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Wootah wrote: Sat Jul 06, 2024 8:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jul 05, 2024 10:01 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Jesus is not God, and he didn't make it up that he is the bridegroom. Jehovah is called the husband of Israel, God Almighty, and Jesus is the bridegroom of all anointed Christians because he is the means by which Jehovah could conclude an agreement with spiritual Israelites and the bride of Christ. "Like Father, like Son" is the catch phrase here. Jesus reflected the truths concerning his Father who is God Almighty. (Colossians 1:15)
Oh right, multiple bridegroom and husbands and now you have the father marrying the bride.
No, that's not so. Reread what is posted and you might realize what is being said.

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