Jesus is God -Joshua 5 - who was this man?

[Wootah]

Hi all,

Here is a good talk on Joshua 5:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

13 Now when Joshua was near Jericho, he looked up and saw a man standing in front of him with a drawn sword in his hand. Joshua went up to him and asked, “Are you for us or for our enemies?”

14 “Neither,” he replied, “but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Then Joshua fell facedown to the ground in reverence, and asked him, “What message does my Lord[e] have for his servant?”

15 The commander of the Lord’s army replied, “Take off your sandals, for the place where you are standing is holy.” And Joshua did so.

Would Joshua bow down to not God? Don't angels say hey stop worshipping me if they are not God? Why was Joshua commanded to take off his sandals (think back to Moses)?

[onewithhim]

To all respondents,

I think the scriptures speak well for themselves....

That is true, Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than him. Why do you think many Christians don't really believe what he says?

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
… the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

And if you look closely at those scriptures that Revelation won provided you can see that they really don't say that Jesus is God. If you want to twist them, that's the only way they can say that.

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

I think the scriptures speak well for themselves....

That is true, Jesus says there is only one true God who is greater than him. Why do you think many Christians don't really believe what he says?

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
… the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

And if you look closely at those scriptures that Revelation won provided you can see that they really don't say that Jesus is God. If you want to twist them, that's the only way they can say that.

Thought for thought translation and no twisting. Jesus is real God.

1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. This Jesus Christ is the real God and eternal life. (GOD's WORD Translation)

[1213]

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1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. ...

It is interesting that for example World English Bible has the word in here.

We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 John 5:20

That doesn't say Jesus is the God. And it is good, because it would be in contradiction with the words of Jesus that say there is only one true God who is greater than Jesus.

[Capbook]

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1Jn 5:20 We know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding so that we know the real God. We are in the one who is real, his Son Jesus Christ. ...

It is interesting that for example World English Bible has the word in here.

We know that the Son of God has come, and has given us an understanding, that we know him who is true, and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
1 John 5:20

That doesn't say Jesus is the God. And it is good, because it would be in contradiction with the words of Jesus that say there is only one true God who is greater than Jesus.

Though there are different opinions in regard to this verse 1John 5:20, Barne's understand it did refer to Jesus.

This is the true God - There has been much difference of opinion in regard to this important passage; whether it refers to the Lord Jesus Christ, the immediate antecedent, or to a more remote antecedent - referring to God, as such. The question is of importance in its bearing on the doctrine of the divinity of the Saviour; for if it refers to him, it furnishes an unequivocal declaration that he is divine. The question is, whether John “meant” that it should be referred to him? Without going into an extended examination of the passage, the following considerations seem to me to make it morally certain that by the phrase “this is the true God,” etc., he did refer to the Lord Jesus Christ.
(from Barne's Commentary)

[1213]

...he did refer to the Lord Jesus Christ.

The reason why I disagree is that Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him. And also Paul says that.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

[Capbook]

...he did refer to the Lord Jesus Christ.

The reason why I disagree is that Jesus himself says there is only one true God who is greater than him. And also Paul says that.

This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
John 17:3
the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28
Jesus said to her, "Don't touch me, for I haven't yet ascended to my Father; but go to my brothers, and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

We believe that Jesus is man. (dual nature)
We believe on one God.
Maybe you can find a verse that say "Jesus is not God."
John 17:3, does not say that Jesus is not God.
And also the phrase does not end in period, "the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ." It is in comma and followed by "and" Jesus Christ.

[1213]

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Maybe you can find a verse that say "Jesus is not God."
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the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

[Wootah]

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Maybe you can find a verse that say "Jesus is not God."
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the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

As the owner and chief moderator of the forum Otseng is greater than everyone on this forum. And yet, and yet, we are all humans, we are all the same. Please allow yourself to accept refutations of your arguments.

[1213]

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Maybe you can find a verse that say "Jesus is not God."
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the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

As the owner and chief moderator of the forum Otseng is greater than everyone on this forum. And yet, and yet, we are all humans, we are all the same. Please allow yourself to accept refutations of your arguments.

Please explain, if Jesus is the God, how can the Father be greater than him?

[Wootah]

[Replying to 1213 in post #39]

Don't you give respect to your father? Assuming our fathers are not awful then we naturally respect them as greater. Even the President typically would say their father is greater than them.