O My Father
O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,
When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?
In thy holy habitation, Did my spirit once reside?
In my first primeval childhood, was I nurtured near thy side?
For a wise and glorious purpose Thou hast placed me here on earth
And with held the recollection Of my former friends and birth:
Yet off times a secret something Whispered , “You’re a stranger here”,
And I felt that I had wandered From a more exalted sphere.
I had learned to call theeFather, Thru thy Spirit. From on high,
But until the key of knowledge was restored I knew not why.
In the heav’ns are parents single?
No the thought makes reason stare!
Truth is reason; truth eternal Tells me I’ve a mother there.
When I leave this frail existence , When I lay this mortal by
Father, Mother, may I meet youIn your royal courts on high?
Then at length, when I have completed All you sent me forth to do,
With your mutual approbation Let me come and dwell with you.
The above beautiful poem unveils a mystery of god to the mortal understanding. It teaches mighty eternal truths. Indeed God is the father of all his children that have lived, now live or will yet live to exercise their God given agency to be tried and tested and by following christ “also overcome the world” and become “partakers of the divine nature” and to also to “become heirs and joint heirs with Christ to also receive all that the Father hath”
On this Easter Sunday let us all cherish and rejoice in the mighty atonement and resurrection provided by Jesus Christ as our great exemplar! He has provided the way that we in our resurrection will also receive a permanent resurrection or reuniting of our spirit body with a permanent body of flesh and bone as Christ has received.
God bless you all with the deep understanding of eternal things as promised by the Holy Ghost.
O MY FATHER!
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Post #31They are, even the Father addressed His Son as Lord in Heb 1:10. They are both equal in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:46 amThey are not equal.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:37 amThey are equal, being both Divine or God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:05 amOr it excludes the Father because he is superior.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:54 amYes, it excludes the Father as they are equal.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:53 am
So the word "everything" excludes the Father , correct?
Hebrews 1:10
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.(NIV)
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Post #32I don't see the word "equal" in that verse.
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Post #33How about the word Lord? Why the Father call Jesus Lord?
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Post #34Because Jesus is a Lord.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:09 amHow about the word Lord? Why the Father call Jesus Lord?
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Post #35Because Jesus is God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:53 amBecause Jesus is a Lord.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 3:09 amHow about the word Lord? Why the Father call Jesus Lord?
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Post #36(onewithhim responds) Why wouldn't God refer to Jesus as "Lord"? Sure He would. Jesus is just not the LORD that is in uppercase letters in the Hebrew Scriptures 7,000 times. That always refers to the Father, Jehovah. But Jesus is surely "Lord" of all those on earth who are called "lord." See I Corinthians 8:6.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:16 amThey are, even the Father addressed His Son as Lord in Heb 1:10. They are both equal in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:46 amonewithhim responds:Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:37 amThey are equal, being both Divine or God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:05 amOr it excludes the Father because he is superior.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:54 amYes, it excludes the Father as they are equal.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:53 am
So the word "everything" excludes the Father , correct?
Being "divine" does not mean that you are God or equal to God. It simply means "of, from, or like God or a god." (Oxford Illustrated Dictionary) So it could mean something is created by God ("of, from") or is like Beings in the spirit realm. Jesus is a mighty spirit Being right now, but not equal to God.
They are not equal.
Hebrews 1:10
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.(NIV)
"There is actually to us one God, the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
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Post #37And why is the Father addressed Jesus as "Lord" in the uppercase in Heb 1:10?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:43 pm(onewithhim responds) Why wouldn't God refer to Jesus as "Lord"? Sure He would. Jesus is just not the LORD that is in uppercase letters in the Hebrew Scriptures 7,000 times. That always refers to the Father, Jehovah. But Jesus is surely "Lord" of all those on earth who are called "lord." See I Corinthians 8:6.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:16 amThey are, even the Father addressed His Son as Lord in Heb 1:10. They are both equal in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:46 amonewithhim responds:Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:37 amThey are equal, being both Divine or God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:05 amOr it excludes the Father because he is superior.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:54 amYes, it excludes the Father as they are equal.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:53 am
So the word "everything" excludes the Father , correct?
Being "divine" does not mean that you are God or equal to God. It simply means "of, from, or like God or a god." (Oxford Illustrated Dictionary) So it could mean something is created by God ("of, from") or is like Beings in the spirit realm. Jesus is a mighty spirit Being right now, but not equal to God.
They are not equal.
Hebrews 1:10
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.(NIV)
"There is actually to us one God, the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
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Post #38Look closely. It's not in the upper case. (Upper case here means ALL the letters are upper case. Look at "LORD" in the O.T.)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jul 06, 2024 3:38 amAnd why is the Father addressed Jesus as "Lord" in the uppercase in Heb 1:10?onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jun 18, 2024 1:43 pm(onewithhim responds) Why wouldn't God refer to Jesus as "Lord"? Sure He would. Jesus is just not the LORD that is in uppercase letters in the Hebrew Scriptures 7,000 times. That always refers to the Father, Jehovah. But Jesus is surely "Lord" of all those on earth who are called "lord." See I Corinthians 8:6.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2024 2:16 amThey are, even the Father addressed His Son as Lord in Heb 1:10. They are both equal in the nature of God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 10:46 amonewithhim responds:Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:37 amThey are equal, being both Divine or God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 4:05 amOr it excludes the Father because he is superior.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2024 3:54 amYes, it excludes the Father as they are equal.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:53 am
So the word "everything" excludes the Father , correct?
Being "divine" does not mean that you are God or equal to God. It simply means "of, from, or like God or a god." (Oxford Illustrated Dictionary) So it could mean something is created by God ("of, from") or is like Beings in the spirit realm. Jesus is a mighty spirit Being right now, but not equal to God.
They are not equal.
Hebrews 1:10
He also says, "In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.(NIV)
"There is actually to us one God, the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him."
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Post #39To all respondents,
Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.
"O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,
I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.
"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"
Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.
Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.
"O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,
I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.
"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"
Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.
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Post #40Where in the Bible is that?Revelations won wrote: ↑Sun Jul 07, 2024 9:23 am To all respondents,
Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.
"O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,
I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.
"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"
Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.