What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[Clownboat]

Q: Sir did you not accused me of equating bulling with physical assault and stealing? (Yes/no question)

Yes, the bullying instances that you presented were the crimes of assault and theft already. I would love for you to provide examples of bullying that are not a crime, but should be, but you refuse.

Bulling people online or at school/work is evil and malevolent. I want evil, malevolent people to be punished. Bulling needs to be punished. That is a sensible think to want.

I agree, your words sounds sensible, they have from the start. Such virtue in them! This is why I continue to ask you as to what you want to be a crime that isn't already. For example, assault and theft are already crimes. How can I support your cause if you don't even seem to understand it yourself?

I want bulling laws to exist in my country.

And I want world hunger to be no more!
And I want all diseases to be cured!
Can you explain these laws that you want to remove the virtue signaling?

Wouldn't it be fair for you to ask me how we would go about solving world hunger for example? Imagine I couldn't come up with anything, yet kept informing those around me that I want world hunger to be no more. Surely you would note the virtue signaling even though you agree with me that you also don't like that humans starve. That is what is happening here in regards to bullying.

The same way I want for example to be laws for same sex marriages in my country.

It's not the same though. Same sex laws allow state recognition of same sex marriages.
Now do the same for these bullying laws that you want please? Surely you have something in mind right? You're not just here to sound virtuous, right?

You were arguing bulling laws should not exist, that is not a crime.

Another falsehood. Cyber bullying is a crime already and so is assault and theft. What else do you want to be a crime is what I'm asking?
Specifically, we all can agree that kids will be mean. At what point does this being mean turn into the crime of bullying and law enforcement now needs to get involved?

I was arguing bulling is a crime, should be punished and laws should exist.
Q: What is happening?

You are ignoring the laws that are already in place and you are pretending that we don't/can't punish bullies.
We can and we do, but you want more and are unable to articulate what more you want.
Person A: Clownboat, how would you go about solving world hunger?
Clownboat: I want world hunger solved! <---- This would be virtue signaling.

You keep repeating same questions to all the talking points.
You are making me give up debating on this forum.
Such poor debate form.

You are an online bully. Your online bullying is ineffective on me for reasons you have supplied.
I don't think about you outside of forming these replies, you don't enter my world ever, outside of this debate. Therefore, your actions that would be bullying to some, are not effective on me. You're still an online bully though and society should shame you, not put you in a cage IMO.

What are your thoughts on the behavior you have shown here in this thread? Let me guess, you think you are innocent? Now, if you had assaulted me or stolen from me, it would have been clear that you would be committing a crime before engaging in either. The same cannot be said for bullying. For example, it's sometimes a crime to go online and call someone a moron or to disparage their debate form. Is it sometimes a crime to assault or steal from another? You ignore this issue, but if we only care about sounding virtuous, then I would like to join in and announce to everyone, that I want bullying to be no more!

I also want world hunger to be no more and I want all diseases to be cured. Don't ask me specifics or I'll call you names and insult you. Something online bullies do... except for when they do it and it is not bullying.

[Clownboat]

You acknowledge cyber bullying, but not bullying?

I have argued to punish for crimes from the start and I have addressed the crimes of assault, theft and cyber bullying specifically.

Cyber bullying?
.......so you're finally coming round after all!

This has been my position from the start. That you seem me as finally coming around is something you will need to look inward about.

[Clownboat]

You acknowledge cyber bullying, but not bullying?

I have argued to punish for crimes from the start and I have addressed the crimes of assault, theft and cyber bullying specifically.

Cyber bullying?
.......so you're finally coming round after all!

It's more changing like the weather. Feels almost like my consciousness got into another parallel, alternative reality.

Readers, ask yourselves:
Does it make bullying worse or better if bullies would gather together and encourage each others poor behavior? Perhaps that is a mechanism for when being mean becomes the crime of bullying?
Such behavior it is the opposite of my stance where we need good men and women to step in to abolish such behavior.

The fact that both of these debaters now seem to have missed my stance on bullying is again something they need to look inward about. If either of them were paying attention, they would understand just how much we actually agree and I'm just trying to figure out what they want that they don't already have. Perhaps we would even agree on that, but I'm too busy being a moron with poor debate tactics apparently!

[Clownboat]

[alexxcJRO]

Q: Sir did you not accused me of equating bulling with physical assault and stealing? (Yes/no question)

Yes

And you are wrong. For I am not.
Someone X: "Big Mac includes a medium portion of fries, a juice and a double cheeseburger".
Saying Big Mac includes those 3 things does not mean someone X is equating Big Mac with a "medium portion of fries" or with a "double cheeseburger".
Please address the analogy.

I agree, your words sounds sensible, they have from the start. Such virtue in them! This is why I continue to ask you as to what you want to be a crime that isn't already. For example, assault and theft are already crimes. How can I support your cause if you don't even seem to understand it yourself?

Dude torture laws analogy. We have been here already.
Please don't ignore my point.

And I want world hunger to be no more!
And I want all diseases to be cured!
Can you explain these laws that you want to remove the virtue signaling?
Wouldn't it be fair for you to ask me how we would go about solving world hunger for example? Imagine I couldn't come up with anything, yet kept informing those around me that I want world hunger to be no more. Surely you would note the virtue signaling even though you agree with me that you also don't like that humans starve. That is what is happening here in regards to bullying.

Irrelevant personal comment. You asked me a q I answered.

It's not the same though. Same sex laws allow state recognition of same sex marriages.
Now do the same for these bullying laws that you want please? Surely you have something in mind right? You're not just here to sound virtuous, right?

Firstly there should be laws for bulling in schools. There is been some initiatives to make such laws as late of 2023 in Romania.

Another falsehood. Cyber bullying is a crime already and so is assault and theft. What else do you want to be a crime is what I'm asking?
Specifically, we all can agree that kids will be mean. At what point does this being mean turn into the crime of bullying and law enforcement now needs to get involved?
You are ignoring the laws that are already in place and you are pretending that we don't/can't punish bullies.
We can and we do, but you want more and are unable to articulate what more you want.
Person A: Clownboat, how would you go about solving world hunger?
Clownboat: I want world hunger solved! <---- This would be virtue signaling.

1.
Common. This is ridiculous.
You were arguing that I am bulling you in a supposed clever way to show how its not ok to have laws for bulling(online).
Suddenly in 255 you have sneaked in "cyber bullying" beside assault or theft where before we only had you mentioning assault or theft.
Now you pretend like that never happened.
2.
I am confused.
Q: So do you now agree its ok to have laws for bulling(online) but not laws for bulling that occurs in schools?

You are an online bully. Your online bullying is ineffective on me for reasons you have supplied.
I don't think about you outside of forming these replies, you don't enter my world ever, outside of this debate. Therefore, your actions that would be bullying to some, are not effective on me. You're still an online bully though and society should shame you, not put you in a cage IMO.
What are your thoughts on the behavior you have shown here in this thread? Let me guess, you think you are innocent? Now, if you had assaulted me or stolen from me, it would have been clear that you would be committing a crime before engaging in either. The same cannot be said for bullying. For example, it's sometimes a crime to go online and call someone a moron or to disparage their debate form. Is it sometimes a crime to assault or steal from another? You ignore this issue, but if we only care about sounding virtuous, then I would like to join in and announce to everyone, that I want bullying to be no more!
I also want world hunger to be no more and I want all diseases to be cured. Don't ask me specifics or I'll call you names and insult you. Something online bullies do... except for when they do it and it is not bullying.

Keep repeating the same nonsense which was already debunked before countless times.
Ridicule its not bulling.
You have ridiculed yourself. There is no one sided situation.
You are not in a state of fear and in a less favorable position where I being in a more favorable position would use that position to hurt you.
We have been over this. The conditions for bulling are not meet.

[oldbadger]

You acknowledge cyber bullying, but not bullying?

I have argued to punish for crimes from the start and I have addressed the crimes of assault, theft and cyber bullying specifically.

Cyber bullying?
.......so you're finally coming round after all!

This has been my position from the start. That you seem me as finally coming around is something you will need to look inward about.

Now you just need to decide how cyber bullying is so different from other kinds of bullying.

[Clownboat]

[Clownboat]

Now you just need to decide how cyber bullying is so different from other kinds of bullying.

If you would be so kind as to define what you mean by 'other kinds of bullying' the differences may be self evident enough that you won't need me to assist you.

[alexxcJRO]

[oldbadger]

Now you just need to decide how cyber bullying is so different from other kinds of bullying.

If you would be so kind as to define what you mean by 'other kinds of bullying' the differences may be self evident enough that you won't need me to assist you.

But you don't believe in laws to stop 'bullying', and here you are, contradicting your own viewpoint. After all, bullying is bullying, whether on IT media, at school, in the workplace or anywhere else.

So come on, tell us how you managed to separate out one from all the others.