Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?

[Avoice]

Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?

If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?

[onewithhim]

I believe in what the Bible says, and I have compared it with what my religious leaders have said.

Obviously you understand that you are not unique to have a religious belief or to be sure of it. This is extremely common.

They are spot on.

Something about pride and falls come to mind.

It is clear, for instance, that there is no Trinity, and neither is there a fiery hell. Jesus is a god (an individual of high importance and power), even the Son of God who created the universe with his Father's power that was given to him. It's clear that homosexuality is not acceptable to God. Christendom's religious leaders have not taught their flocks the simple truths found in the Bible that's right under their noses. Why? For their own gain, financially and politically. They are part of the world, as Jesus was not. (James 4:4)

Be careful not to make an idol out of your own interpretation of it. You may end up clinging to it as if it was yourself, thus putting your own view in opposition to the wider principles of love and acceptance that Jesus taught. Such folks will fight among themselves because what they are really doing is self promotion, each of them seeking to claim to speak for God.

It doesn't make any sense to me that the Being whose power created the universe would not be knowable to His creations.

It's also not logical that an all powerful God would write a message for everyone, but then require pastors, priest and theologians to then interpret the said message.

If you created people, wouldn't you want them to know you?

Likely, but I'm just a human, not some all powerful god concept that can create entire universes with words. How could I pretend to understand such a being? Surely not by pretending it would have the wants as a human.

He has inspired a book that tells us about Him and about His Son.

This claim is not logical for the reasoning above. You of course are free to believe what you choose via faith.

It is not taught by 99.9% of the clergy of Christendom. But Jehovah's Witnesses do follow all of the Bible, not just parts of it.

Like I said: "Such folks will fight among themselves because what they are really doing is self promotion, each of them seeking to claim to speak for God."

"He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."
- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Pride? If I really believe that I have found the truth, wouldn't I witness to others that I have found it? There is no pride involved. Jehovah's Witnesses believe so strongly that Jehovah is God and Jesus is His only begotten Son (not God) and that the earth remains forever and the righteous will inherit the earth and live forever on it that we would be remiss if we did not tell people that we have found the truth of those matters.

It simply remains for others to figure out which religion is teaching the truth. It's not hard when you analyze what Jesus actually said---all of it, not just cherry-picked verses.

[Clownboat]

Pride? If I really believe that I have found the truth, wouldn't I witness to others that I have found it?

Yes pride. We have billions of humans on this planet worshiping other god concepts that feel just like you. Of course there is pride involved to believe you have the gods all figured out.

There is no pride involved. Jehovah's Witnesses believe so strongly that Jehovah is God and Jesus is His only begotten Son (not God) and that the earth remains forever and the righteous will inherit the earth and live forever on it that we would be remiss if we did not tell people that we have found the truth of those matters.

Like I already quoted and you didn't respond to other than showing my words to be correct: "He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."

It simply remains for others to figure out which religion is teaching the truth. It's not hard when you analyze what Jesus actually said---all of it, not just cherry-picked verses.

Surely you see the pride here!

[2timothy316]

Pride? If I really believe that I have found the truth, wouldn't I witness to others that I have found it?

Yes pride. We have billions of humans on this planet worshiping other god concepts that feel just like you. Of course there is pride involved to believe you have the gods all figured out.

There is no pride involved. Jehovah's Witnesses believe so strongly that Jehovah is God and Jesus is His only begotten Son (not God) and that the earth remains forever and the righteous will inherit the earth and live forever on it that we would be remiss if we did not tell people that we have found the truth of those matters.

Like I already quoted and you didn't respond to other than showing my words to be correct: "He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."

It simply remains for others to figure out which religion is teaching the truth. It's not hard when you analyze what Jesus actually said---all of it, not just cherry-picked verses.

Surely you see the pride here!

Don't confuse confidence with pride. I am confident that I have found the right people who worship God correctly. Pride is not even a factor in my heart. Joy is though. If I was prideful I wouldn't want to share what I have found. I'd want to keep it to myself so that no one else would know what I know and could be viewed as more pious than others. Yet I want the exact opposite. I want people to know that God has taken a lowly person such as me, shown me mercy and shown me the way to life.

But is that what we see from other religions? Mormons and Catholics both hide more than they share. Meanwhile, just about everything Jehovah's Witnesses have published since 1950 is free to view online. In other religions only a few or even one is an ordained minister in a congregation. Those people are only the ones that are allow to preach and teach. In the Jehovah's Witness religion, every person baptized in an ordained minister and even those that are not baptized are encouraged to preach and teach. If one does because prideful or arrogant and stays that way, they don't stay JWs long because when they are corrected, the leave the religion. If there is practicing JW that says they have never been corrected, I'll show you a liar. A person can't be haughty and stay close to Jehovah God. Psalms 138:6 says, "Though the Lord is exalted, He takes note of the humble; but He knows the haughty from afar."

[Clownboat]

But is that what we see from other religions? Mormons and Catholics both hide more than they share. Meanwhile, just about everything Jehovah's Witnesses have published since 1950 is free to view online. In other religions only a few or even one is an ordained minister in a congregation. Those people are only the ones that are allow to preach and teach. In the Jehovah's Witness religion, every person baptized in an ordained minister and even those that are not baptized are encouraged to preach and teach. If one does because prideful or arrogant and stays that way, they don't stay JWs long because when they are corrected, the leave the religion. If there is practicing JW that says they have never been corrected, I'll show you a liar. A person can't be haughty and stay close to Jehovah God. Psalms 138:6 says, "Though the Lord is exalted, He takes note of the humble; but He knows the haughty from afar."

I'll just keep posting it and you guys can continue to show the truth of the words. You both make this far too easy!
"He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."
- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

This is exactly what seems to be going on here and no amount of pride, even if a person is so prideful as to call their pride 'confidence', changes what is going on. Don't believe me? Just interchange Jehovah's Witnesses with Muslim, Jehovah with Allah, minister with Imam see how the above reads.

2timothy316 - If only you had been born in Iran. You would make a great Muslim. You might not notice it, but I trust our readers do.

[2timothy316]

But is that what we see from other religions? Mormons and Catholics both hide more than they share. Meanwhile, just about everything Jehovah's Witnesses have published since 1950 is free to view online. In other religions only a few or even one is an ordained minister in a congregation. Those people are only the ones that are allow to preach and teach. In the Jehovah's Witness religion, every person baptized in an ordained minister and even those that are not baptized are encouraged to preach and teach. If one does because prideful or arrogant and stays that way, they don't stay JWs long because when they are corrected, the leave the religion. If there is practicing JW that says they have never been corrected, I'll show you a liar. A person can't be haughty and stay close to Jehovah God. Psalms 138:6 says, "Though the Lord is exalted, He takes note of the humble; but He knows the haughty from afar."

I'll just keep posting it and you guys can continue to show the truth of the words. You both make this far too easy!
"He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."
- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Where did I say that I loved the Witnesses more than Jehovah or the truth? Straw man.
I love the Witnesses because we are like minded. They love truth more than the people in the religion. Unlike others that will accept wrong doing in the eyes of God to keep people from leaving their religion.

Of course you're free to see whatever you choose to see, yet that doesn't make it true. If I was prideful and thought more of myself than what was necessary then wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness. If Jehovah's Witnesses encouraged me to be prideful in myself I wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness. In other words there would be more indicators than just being confident in what I believe to be true if I was prideful. The Bible is clear, boast in Jehovah. Which is where all my confidence placed. (2 Cor 10:17)

[Wootah]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Well technically Jesus is the way the truth and the life and is God and you deny that. You also practice works not grace through faith.

I don't know if you guys will make it to heaven because denial of Jesus as God is committing the unforgivable sin and blaspheming the holy spirit.

I do think arrogance and pride are at the root of denying Jesus is God because humans hate the fact we are not equal God and only God can save us.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Well technically Jesus is the way the truth and the life and is God and you deny that. You also practice works not grace through faith.

Jesus never said that we have to believe he is Almighty God. Jehovah said it best, "“You are my Son.”​—Luke 3:22. Not you are God. But I know you must follow the narrative of your teachings and can't handle even considering anything else.

What do you think grace is?

I don't know if you guys will make it to heaven because denial of Jesus as God is committing the unforgivable sin and blaspheming the holy spirit.

I will not go to heaven, because that is not what I want nor called to be. "But the meek will possess the earth." Ps 37:11. This is what I want for my reward.

I do think arrogance and pride are at the root of denying Jesus is God because humans hate the fact we are not equal God and only God can save us.

You can think whatever you want. I am under no delusion that I am equal to a single cell of Jesus' perfect body. A body that he gave so that I might live. He doesn't have to be almighty God to do that. But by your belief, God can die...or Jesus didn't die...if so, then we are doomed because no one actually died for our sins.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Well technically Jesus is the way the truth and the life ... and you deny that.

No Jehovah's Witness will deny that Jesus is the way the truth and the life. That is simply untrue. It would be misleading to link the above with a belief Jesus is Almighty God as if the two are inseparable. Punctuation is your friend.

You also practice works not grace through faith.

You are not in a position to judge what motivates Tim or anyone to obey Gods commands to be "rich in fine WORKS".

....I don't know if you guys will make it to heaven

Yes, you do not know. Perhaps you should share what you DO know rather than with what you do not.

[JehovahsWitness]

denial of Jesus as God is committing the unforgivable sin and blaspheming the holy spirit.

We do not deny Jesus is God, we hold the bible which presents Jesus as NOT being equal in power, position and age to Almighty God YHWH (Jehovah) the Father.

You might like to put implied ad hominem aside in favor of using your bible to prove otherwise.



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[Clownboat]

Where did I say that I loved the Witnesses more than Jehovah or the truth? Straw man.
I love the Witnesses because we are like minded. They love truth more than the people in the religion. Unlike others that will accept wrong doing in the eyes of God to keep people from leaving their religion.

Of course you're free to see whatever you choose to see, yet that doesn't make it true. If I was prideful and thought more of myself than what was necessary then wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness. If Jehovah's Witnesses encouraged me to be prideful in myself I wouldn't be a Jehovah's Witness. In other words there would be more indicators than just being confident in what I believe to be true if I was prideful. The Bible is clear, boast in Jehovah. Which is where all my confidence placed. (2 Cor 10:17)

Just read your posts and notice how they focus on your preferred flavor of the religion you belong to all the while ignoring that others hold the same feelings you do towards their preferred religion.

"He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."
- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

Tell us again just how great your sect of Christianity is... I missed it the first few times around. J/K, I noticed it and it will be up to the readers to decide if you are just promoting the sect of the religion you prefer, which is the norm we see here.