Christians: why do you think Jews don’t accept the Christian Testament?

[Avoice]

Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?

If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #15]
I believe you really believe that.
But have you actually asked a Jew or two why they dont believe Jesus is the one who will come?

Has nothing to do with what you’ve been taught. It really is not. It is because the teachings of the church are not compatible with what God instructed. Nor does Jesus fit the description.
I feel sad for Christians. Because the passages that they quote to prove Jesus are mistranslated or taken out if context or non existent. Did you ever wonder why it is thst the church never encourages anyone to learn Hebrew? If they did learn the church would fail.

What passages convince you that Jesus is the one we sre waiting for?

You must have missed my post where I analyze the verses at Isaiah 53. I thought I posted it on this thread but it isn't here. I'll try to find it.

Ah, I found it on the thread "Jesus is not God," post #1232, if you'd be so kind as to comment on that. I know Jews don't agree, but I would love it if you would read what I posted and actually comment on what I said rather than dismissing it out-of-hand.

[Avoice]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3]


Identifying the messiah is the highlight of the Hebrew Scriptures in your? Thats the most useful information you glean from it?

So Daniels weeks are a big hit for you. You sure you want to to lean on that? Ill return to respond to that. The most you have now is that it ‘alludes’ to Jesus. JW… you wont even have an allusion when i finish

[2timothy316]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #3]


Identifying the messiah is the highlight of the Hebrew Scriptures in your? Thats the most useful information you glean from it?

So Daniels weeks are a big hit for you. You sure you want to to lean on that? Ill return to respond to that. The most you have now is that it ‘alludes’ to Jesus. JW… you wont even have an allusion when i finish

You seem to be picky about what part of the Hebrew Scriptures you like. Do you believe all the Hebrew Scriptures, including the book of Daniel to be as from Jehovah? For Jehovah's Witnesses, every word in the Bible is a 'bit hit'. Aren't they for you? Why or why not?

[Wootah]

Why do you think Jews reject the teachings of the church?

If you could pick one passage to convince them to believe Jesus is their anointed one (messiah) what would it be?

I think if Jews read the whole Bible first they would see the connections. Denial is just cognitive dissonance.

[Clownboat]

Jews don't accept Christianity because their religious leaders haven't taught them to do so.

That cuts both ways and explains nicely as to why Christians believe Christ is the Messiah. Simply, their religious leaders have taught them that this is the case and convinced them that their eternity is on the line if they reject this teaching.

You must first believe you are sick before you will take the medicine after all.

[onewithhim]

Jews don't accept Christianity because their religious leaders haven't taught them to do so.

That cuts both ways and explains nicely as to why Christians believe Christ is the Messiah. Simply, their religious leaders have taught them that this is the case and convinced them that their eternity is on the line if they reject this teaching.

You must first believe you are sick before you will take the medicine after all.

So-called Christians do teach their flocks that Jesus is the Messiah, and they go farther and say that he is God, which the Bible does not teach. Jehovah's Christian Witnesses also believe that Jesus is the Messiah, but not God. And I believe that because of my own research, not because I was told what to believe, as Christendom's religious leaders tell their people, pulling the wool over their eyes.

[onewithhim]

To Avoice: Read the last post on the thread "Jesus is not God." I would like your comment.

[Clownboat]

So-called Christians do teach their flocks that Jesus is the Messiah, and they go farther and say that he is God, which the Bible does not teach.

Can we please not pretend that Christian leaders agree about what they teach their flocks. There is a flavor of Christianity for just about anyone, including those who believe themselves to be Jehovah's Christian Witnesses.

Want to believe in the Trinity or not?
Want to believe Jesus is a god or not?
Want to believe an eternal hell or not?
Want to believe that homosexuality is ok with a god or not?

How arrogant would it be for a person to pick a flavor of this religion and then pretend that their beliefs are correct?

Obviously, that fact that you claim to not have religious leaders telling you what to believe does not in anyway make your arrived at beliefs correct. For all we know, you have pulled the wool over your own eyes.

I submit that if there is a God(s) out there, we don't know about it/them. Going beyond this belief is to accept the words of religious leaders or that of religious promotional material. Which is it for you?

[onewithhim]

So-called Christians do teach their flocks that Jesus is the Messiah, and they go farther and say that he is God, which the Bible does not teach.

Can we please not pretend that Christian leaders agree about what they teach their flocks. There is a flavor of Christianity for just about anyone, including those who believe themselves to be Jehovah's Christian Witnesses.

Want to believe in the Trinity or not?
Want to believe Jesus is a god or not?
Want to believe an eternal hell or not?
Want to believe that homosexuality is ok with a god or not?

How arrogant would it be for a person to pick a flavor of this religion and then pretend that their beliefs are correct?

Obviously, that fact that you claim to not have religious leaders telling you what to believe does not in anyway make your arrived at beliefs correct. For all we know, you have pulled the wool over your own eyes.

I submit that if there is a God(s) out there, we don't know about it/them. Going beyond this belief is to accept the words of religious leaders or that of religious promotional material. Which is it for you?

I believe in what the Bible says, and I have compared it with what my religious leaders have said. They are spot on. It is clear, for instance, that there is no Trinity, and neither is there a fiery hell. Jesus is a god (an individual of high importance and power), even the Son of God who created the universe with his Father's power that was given to him. It's clear that homosexuality is not acceptable to God. Christendom's religious leaders have not taught their flocks the simple truths found in the Bible that's right under their noses. Why? For their own gain, financially and politically. They are part of the world, as Jesus was not. (James 4:4)

It doesn't make any sense to me that the Being whose power created the universe would not be knowable to His creations. If you created people, wouldn't you want them to know you? He has inspired a book that tells us about Him and about His Son. It is not taught by 99.9% of the clergy of Christendom. But Jehovah's Witnesses do follow all of the Bible, not just parts of it.

[Clownboat]

I believe in what the Bible says, and I have compared it with what my religious leaders have said.

Obviously you understand that you are not unique to have a religious belief or to be sure of it. This is extremely common.

They are spot on.

Something about pride and falls come to mind.

It is clear, for instance, that there is no Trinity, and neither is there a fiery hell. Jesus is a god (an individual of high importance and power), even the Son of God who created the universe with his Father's power that was given to him. It's clear that homosexuality is not acceptable to God. Christendom's religious leaders have not taught their flocks the simple truths found in the Bible that's right under their noses. Why? For their own gain, financially and politically. They are part of the world, as Jesus was not. (James 4:4)

Be careful not to make an idol out of your own interpretation of it. You may end up clinging to it as if it was yourself, thus putting your own view in opposition to the wider principles of love and acceptance that Jesus taught. Such folks will fight among themselves because what they are really doing is self promotion, each of them seeking to claim to speak for God.

It doesn't make any sense to me that the Being whose power created the universe would not be knowable to His creations.

It's also not logical that an all powerful God would write a message for everyone, but then require pastors, priest and theologians to then interpret the said message.

If you created people, wouldn't you want them to know you?

Likely, but I'm just a human, not some all powerful god concept that can create entire universes with words. How could I pretend to understand such a being? Surely not by pretending it would have the wants as a human.

He has inspired a book that tells us about Him and about His Son.

This claim is not logical for the reasoning above. You of course are free to believe what you choose via faith.

It is not taught by 99.9% of the clergy of Christendom. But Jehovah's Witnesses do follow all of the Bible, not just parts of it.

Like I said: "Such folks will fight among themselves because what they are really doing is self promotion, each of them seeking to claim to speak for God."

"He who begins by loving Christianity more than Truth, will proceed by loving his sect or church better than Christianity, and end in loving himself better than all."
- Samuel Taylor Coleridge