Questions about Jesus and JW’s

[MissKate13]

1. Jehovah’s Witnesses say Jesus was “a god.” This is how the NWT reads (John 1:1).

Do JW’s believe Jesus was a true or false god?

2. JW’s say Jesus is a created being.

When was Jesus (capital or lower case g) created?

I look forward to your responses to one or both questions.

MissKate13

[MissKate13]

[Replying to tam in post #98]

Thank you! Have a blessed day!

[2timothy316]

I don’t know who your NWT translators were, so I can’t comment about their “higher learning.” Do you know who they were? Can you post their credentials? Please share with me their names so I can research them. It is my understanding that the NWT translators were all JW’s. That’s a cause for concern.

The New World Translation of the Greek Scriptures had one primary translator, Frederick William Franz, who was the chief theologian of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society for many decades. He later became president. The other members of the translation committee according to witness sources within the organization had no Greek or Hebrew learning whatsoever.

Franz was unable when put under test to translate a basic Biblical Hebrew text.

Thanks for posting, Ross. My understanding is that the rest of the group had less knowledge of the Greek than Franz did.

Where did this information come from? The names are not published as to who translated the NWT.

Timothy, perhaps you should study the history of your religion.

You should do the same. What you posted is not new to me. What you don't know and can't know are the people who did the actual translation.
Many Bible translations are overseen by people that don't actually know how to translate languages.

[Ross]

What you don't know and can't know are the people who did the actual translation.
Many Bible translations are overseen by people that don't actually know how to translate languages.

Are you suggesting that the Translation Committee didn't do the translation?

[2timothy316]

What you don't know and can't know are the people who did the actual translation.
Many Bible translations are overseen by people that don't actually know how to translate languages.

Are you suggesting that the Translation Committee didn't do the translation?

Nope. But you still don't know who worked on the NWT as the names are not listed. Do you even have a clue how large our translation department is? Did you know that www.jw.org holds the world record for website translated into the most languages? https://www.dilingual.com/blog/the-most ... es-in-2022?

[Ross]

What you don't know and can't know are the people who did the actual translation.
Many Bible translations are overseen by people that don't actually know how to translate languages.

Are you suggesting that the Translation Committee didn't do the translation?

Nope. But you still don't know who worked on the NWT as the names are not listed. Do you even have a clue how large our translation department is? Did you know that www.jw.org holds the world record for website translated into the most languages? https://www.dilingual.com/blog/the-most ... es-in-2022?

The NWT translation of the NT was done way back in 1950. I think I have the names in one of my books. There were only five men. I will have a look for you.

[MissKate13]

JESUS = YHWH

Proof # 1

10 “And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn. (Zechariah 12:10)

They will look on ME. ME = YHWH

7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. (Revelation 1:7)

HE, HIM = JESUS

33 But when they came to Jesus and saw that He was already dead, they did not break His legs. 34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out. 35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe. 36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled,Not one of His bones shall be broken.” 37 And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on Him whom they pierced.” (John 19:33-37)

This is how Jesus could say, “I and My Father are one. (John 10:30)

[JehovahsWitness]

DOES ZECHARIAH 12:10 SUPPORT THE TRINITY?

#1 It is an undenyable fact that the text in HEBREW literally reads "they shall look on him whom they pierced"

#2 According to the writter of the gospel of John, who It is well accepted quoted from the The Hebrew text of Zechariah, the verse reads "they shall look on him whom they pierced" - see John 19:37

Thus a number of translations render ZECHARIAH 12:10 as follows

New Revised Standard Version
... they look on the one whom they have pierced

New American Bible
... they look on him whom they have thrust through

There is no doubt that Greek translation of the Hebrew grammar allows for either rendition (to me whom OR to Him whom) but one cannot fault the translations that favor the later.

"The reading "me" is certainly quite early, for it appears in the Septuagint (which otherwise misses the point of the passage); but the New Testament seems to attach no significance to Zech. 12:10 as providing evidence for the deity of Christ,....And, whoever the pierced one is, the fact that he is referred to elsewhere in the verse in the third person ("they shall mourn for him....and weep bitterly over him") suggests that he is Yahweh's representative(probably the annionted king), in whose piercing Yahweh Himself is pierced." - History of the Bible in English, pp.199,200, Lutterworth Press, 1979 third edition

FURTHER READING
https://www.angelfire.com/space/thegosp ... 12_10.html
https://onlytruegod.org/defense/zechariah12.10.htm



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[MissKate13]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #107]

I am not interested in arguing translations. I use the NKJV when posting Scripture. However, I do a text analysis of every verse I post. I use Bible dictionaries as well. I suggest you do the same. Read the passages in their context as I did. Compare Scripture to Scripture as I did. Let the Holy Spirit lead you as I did. Pray our Heavenly Father show you His truth and not what Watchtower teaches. Dare to challenge what your leaders tell you like I did.


For unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” (John 8:24)

[2timothy316]

What you don't know and can't know are the people who did the actual translation.
Many Bible translations are overseen by people that don't actually know how to translate languages.

Are you suggesting that the Translation Committee didn't do the translation?

Nope. But you still don't know who worked on the NWT as the names are not listed. Do you even have a clue how large our translation department is? Did you know that www.jw.org holds the world record for website translated into the most languages? https://www.dilingual.com/blog/the-most ... es-in-2022?

The NWT translation of the NT was done way back in 1950. I think I have the names in one of my books. There were only five men. I will have a look for you.

I'd be skeptical of this 'book' you have. But it doesn't matter, the names are not needed as their work is for all to see. There are scholars that praise the translation such as Jason BeDuhn, Professor at Northern Arizona University. Who says that the best thing about the NWT is that it is not weighted down with protestant demands that the Bible be translated a certain way.

Speaking of the NAB and NWT
"I have pondered why these two translations, of all those considered, turned out to be the least biased. … [A]t the risk of greatly oversimplifying things, I think one common element the two denominations behind these translations share is their freedom from what I call the Protestant’s Burden. By coining this phrase, I don’t mean to be critical of Protestantism. … I use this expression simply to make an observation about one aspect of Protestantism that puts added pressure on translators from its ranks."

Even those that are not Jehovah's Witnesses see that many translations of the Bible are biased to translate a certain way, no matter if it is accurate or not.

If you accept this then it becomes a question WHY are Bible translations biased to read the way protestants want them translated? The answer is simple: Their dogma is more important than accuracy.

[JehovahsWitness]

. ... I use the NKJV when posting Scripture.

Congratuations! I use the NWT , New Revised Standard Version, New American Bible and many other translations (I find it gives me a very solid base for my bible study). Your point?



ZECHARIAH 12:10

"They will look at the one they stabbed to death."- The Bible in Living English, Byington

"They will look at him they have pierced."- Living Bible, Taylor

"They will look at the one whom they stabbed to death."- Todays English Version

"They will look at the one whom they have pierced".- The Jerusalem Bible

"They shall look on whom they have thrust through."- New American Bible.

"They shall look on him whom they stabbed."- Moffatt

"They shall look at him whom they have stabbed."- American Translation, Goodspeed

"They shall look upon Him who they have pierced."- Modern language Bible

"When they look on whom they have pierced."- Revised Standard/New Revised Standard Version

"Their eyes will be turned to the one who was wounded."- Bible in Basic English

"When they see the one they pierced with a spear."- Contemporary English Bible

"They shall look upon HIM¹ Whom they pierced."- The Complete Bible in Modern English, F. Fenton.

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