Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

Do you object to me asking you for the same thing you asked of me?

No. ...

Excellent. Then I hereby repeat my request. Please provide scripture to support your claim.

...there is plenty of evidence which speaks about death in another way.

Well if there is plenty , you should be able to provide some. Chapter and verse please.


JW

... why don't you quote that scripture that the reader can find truth to you claim?

Are you aware that the practice of quoting-mining is of little use in a debate setting?
I think the device doesn't lend itself to opening any doors re honest discussion, when parts of what one writes are snipped by another and what was actually written becomes misplaced and the reader is given a false impression as to what is being said by the one who's words are cut off.

If we were face to face, this would amount to not listening or even particularly caring about what was spoken, preferring to latch onto misdirection so as to steer the conversation in only the one direction, effectively building a wall of distortion between the personalities.

The two Jehovah's Witnesses I had in my lounge yesterday, listened and appeared to enjoy what I had to say.

I had great opportunity to speak about my relationship with YHVH over the last 40 years, and as they left my home, they thanked me for being so open with them in the sharing of my information re that.

I realize that face to face is more conducive to relationship, and I am of the opinion that you would not treat my words as you have done here, but it does get me thinking about how folk form denominations by gravitating to the parts of the written words which they like the best, and directing the conversation toward that end.

Lets see then, if we can create and Agreement List between us.

There are three distinct ideas which Christian have about what occurs to the Individual Human Personality [IHP]

1: It returns to the dust from which it was made.
2: It moves on to the next level of experience.
3: Some move on, some remain dormant.

Do you agree with this assessment?

[JehovahsWitness]

Are you aware that the practice of quoting-mining is of little use in a debate setting?

Don't "quote mine", just do what you yourself have requested ...

... why don't you quote that scripture that the reader can find truth to you claim?

JW

In this subforum the canon of the Bible is considered authoritative with respect to the historical consensus of the canon's content.

QUOTE MINING

Quote mining is a dishonest practice wherein a quote is cut short or taken out of context to change the meaning of the text.

source: https://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Quote_mining

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2612]

There are three distinct ideas which Christian have about what occurs to the Individual Human Personality [IHP]

1: It returns to the dust from which it was made.
2: It moves on to the next level of experience.
3: Some move on, some remain dormant.

Do you agree with this assessment?

[JehovahsWitness]

Do you agree with this assessment?

Nice attempted avoidance (switch and bait) but we are not yet finished with your unproven claim.

... why don't you quote that scripture that the reader can find truth to you claim?

In this subforum the canon of the Bible is considered authoritative with respect to the historical consensus of the canon's content.

Have you lost your bible?

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2614]

There are three distinct ideas which Christian have about what occurs to the Individual Human Personality [IHP]
1: It returns to the dust from which it was made.
2: It moves on to the next level of experience.
3: Some move on, some remain dormant.

Do you agree with this assessment?

Nice attempted avoidance (switch and bait) but we are not yet finished with your unproven claim.

It is not avoidance, it is approach.

In this subforum the canon of the Bible is considered authoritative with respect to the historical consensus of the canon's content.

Have you lost your bible?

It is known that Christians do not all agree with each other on this subject, yet they get their interpretations from the same set of books [the Bible].
There are three distinct ideas which Christian have about what occurs to the Individual Human Personality [IHP]
1: It returns to the dust from which it was made.
2: It moves on to the next level of experience.
3: Some move on, some remain dormant.


So - rather than project - why not simply answer the question put to you?


Q: Do you agree with this assessment?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2539]
Absolutely, Jesus is clearly God's son. Why would anybody think otherwise?

I don't know Rose, I suppose some don't have faith in the bible. The point is that I don't think one can be a Christian without faith Jesus is the son of God.


JW

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2539]
Absolutely, Jesus is clearly God's son. Why would anybody think otherwise?

I don't know Rose, I suppose some don't have faith in the bible. The point is that I don't think one can be a Christian without faith Jesus is the son of God.


JW

Yes. The whole Christian religion collapses without faith that Jesus is the Son of God.

[William]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2539]
Absolutely, Jesus is clearly God's son. Why would anybody think otherwise?

I don't know Rose, I suppose some don't have faith in the bible. The point is that I don't think one can be a Christian without faith Jesus is the son of God.


JW

Yes. The whole Christian religion collapses without faith that Jesus is the Son of God.

Even so, this does not signify that because there is Christian faith in the concept, that it is therefore true.
This means that as long as it is believed to be true, the Christian Religion [including its many various denominations - such as your own] will not collapse, unless there is a way to prove the concept is untrue...in the same way with Tam's claim about hearing the Christ-voice.

How does one test the spirit of any faith-based claim?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2539]
Absolutely, Jesus is clearly God's son. Why would anybody think otherwise?

I don't know Rose, I suppose some don't have faith in the bible. The point is that I don't think one can be a Christian without faith Jesus is the son of God.


JW

Yes. The whole Christian religion collapses without faith that Jesus is the Son of God.

Agreed, onewithhim:

JOHN 14:6

Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #2539]
Absolutely, Jesus is clearly God's son. Why would anybody think otherwise?

I don't know Rose, I suppose some don't have faith in the bible. The point is that I don't think one can be a Christian without faith Jesus is the son of God.


JW

Yes. The whole Christian religion collapses without faith that Jesus is the Son of God.

Even so, this does not signify that because there is Christian faith in the concept, that it is therefore true.
This means that as long as it is believed to be true, the Christian Religion [including its many various denominations - such as your own] will not collapse, unless there is a way to prove the concept is untrue...in the same way with Tam's claim about hearing the Christ-voice.

How does one test the spirit of any faith-based claim?

Look at which one follows what is taught in the Bible. It is pretty clear which religion is the true one. Every religion out there, except one, dodges what is required in the Scriptures and have excuses as to why they are not following, for example, Jesus' instructions. He said love your enemies. Most religions support war. He said not to be any part of the world's schemes, i.e., politics. Most religions are into politics up to their eyebrows. He said to revere and honor the name of his Father. Most religions spurn it. I could go on.