Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[William]

... the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...

Since it is Gods purpose and He invented logic as well as the intellectual capacity to recognise logic, the obvious answer to that question is YES, ...it most certainly is logical.



JW

When one cuts out context and comments on that piece and not the context, one is not being logically honest.

What I wrote;

So far, the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter, which is why the questions come up.

If you want to ignore the questions because the questions conflict with your interpretations of biblical script, that won't make the questions go away.

has nothing to do with what you replied with;

Since it is Gods purpose and He invented logic as well as the intellectual capacity to recognise logic, the obvious answer to that question is YES, ...it most certainly is logical.

I do seriously doubt that YHWH invented dishonest logic.

In future, please be sure to fully quote another before making comment.

[JehovahsWitness]

So unless god implants some kind of time-release birth control device into those living in the end times, Overpopulation Today And Tomorrow is the tune everybody will be singing.

Are you suggesting there is something an omnipotent God can't do ?

MATTHEW 19:26

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

JW

[JehovahsWitness]

What I wrote;

So far, the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter, which is why the questions come up.

Regarding the question is there logic in such a belief...( since interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter ), the belief that [one shall live on this earth forever] is an entirely logical interpretation since we have the explicit statements in scripture that that the will be the case.

I was speaking of the belief that one can only exist forever on this planet as being illogical...

Did I say humans can {quote} "can ONLY exist forever on this planet" ?

Humans can exist anywhere because God can make humans exist forever anywhere he chooses; the bible indicates he has chosen to give us everlasting life as humans (with genitals) on earth. No more no less.



JW

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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2403]

Regarding the question is there logic in such a belief...( since interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter ), the belief that [one shall live on this earth forever] is an entirely logical interpretation since we have the explicit statements in scripture that that the will be the case.

And that is why I have already said that YHWH will give those who wish for such, exactly that.
Others - those who see how limiting that is in relation to eternity and the universe, also do not see any logic in the belief that Earth is the only place in the universe we will have access to.

God can make humans exist forever anywhere he chooses.

And anywhere they choose - even the universe at large, YHWH can 'make it so'...we are not stuck with just the one option. The OP and questions tend to imply all there is, is the one option, but that is not logical.

[JehovahsWitness]

God can make humans exist forever anywhere he chooses.

And anywhere they choose - even the universe at large, YHWH can 'make it so'...we are not stuck with just the one option.

In future, please be sure to fully quote another before making comment.

Emphasis MINE


In future, please be sure to fully quote another before making comment. I wrote ...

Humans can exist anywhere because God can make humans exist forever anywhere he chooses; the bible indicates he has chosen to give us everlasting life as humans (with genitals) on earth. No more no less.



JW

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

EVERLASTING LIFE, IMMORTALITY and ...THE PURPOSE OF LIFE

The OP is related to the earthly paradise as presented in the bible. I have presented with supporting scripture, biblically sound conclusions.




JW




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[Miles]

So unless god implants some kind of time-release birth control device into those living in the end times, Overpopulation Today And Tomorrow is the tune everybody will be singing.

Are you suggesting there is something an omnipotent God can't do ?

Including making mistakes? No. God can and has made mistakes. So although he may be omnipotent he's obviously not all-wise, especially in light of being deemed omniscient. One would think an omniscient god would have enough foresight to avoid making blunders. But there you have it: a blundering, omnipotent, sometimes omnibenevolent god.


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[JehovahsWitness]

God can and has made mistakes.

No, God has never made a mistake

DEUTERONOMY 32:4

The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he.

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[Tcg]

No God has never made a mistake

I suspect there may be a comma missing. In any case:

1 Samuel 15:11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.

Genesis 6:6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

Opps!


Tcg

[Miles]

God can and has made mistakes.

No God has never made a mistake

DEUTERONOMY 32:4

The Rock, perfect is his activity, For all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness who is never unjust; Righteous and upright is he.

Keeping in mind that when one repents, regrets, or is sorry for what he does, that action (doing) would have been wrong (not right) to have done; it would be a mistake:

mis·take
/məˈstāk/
noun: mistake; plural noun: mistakes
an action or judgment that is misguided or wrong.

And we have

Genesis 6:6
The Lord was sorry he had made human beings on the earth. His heart was filled with pain.

Plus

1 Samuel 15:35
Samuel never saw Saul again before he died, but he grieved over Saul. However, the Lord regretted making Saul king over Israel.

OOPS! I see Tcg beat me to it. Oh well. All great minds think alike, or something along those lines.



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[JehovahsWitness]

But there you have it: a blundering, omnipotent, sometimes omnibenevolent god.

(sometimes omnibenevolent is an oxymoron)


DOES GOD BLUNDER?

A BLUNDER : a stupid or careless mistake

One can see or perceive something as a blunder when it is in fact nothing of the kind.

To illustrate : Imagine a college student in one of Albert Einstein s classes. He thinks he sees an error in Enstein's calculations and raises a question. Upon further explanation however the student is helped to see that it was he, not the teacher that miscalucated.

The poin:, not being aware of all the relevance facts might lead someone to perceive something as a blunder (or worse malicous) when it is fact the very opposite. The bible says God is perfect and always just and good. Logically an omniscient God is not prone to error, since he has all the relevant information needed to avoid making a mistake. The bible does not always provide all the information about all of Gods recorded actions but if one perceives God has made a blunder, it is doubtless because it is we (who are neither omniscient nor perfect) not Almighty God who are in error.