Paradise on Earth

[onewithhim]

When I learned that the Bible speaks of a restored Garden of Eden and the restoration of mankind to the perfection and endless life that Adam forfeited, I was thrilled. Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?

If God said to you today, "When do you want to die?" would you say "now!!"? I don't think very many people would say that.

We CAN live forever here on Earth. The Bible tells us that we can.

Matthew 5:5
Psalm 37:9-11,29

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2389]

As I observed - this thread has no questions for debate. Are you going to claim that the questions were also changed along with the heading, due to the change-over?

The question "Isn't this what everybody really wants?" might be debatable, but biblical referencing with accompanying different interpretations doesn't get the ship sailing...

It's not a claim, it's what the title of the thread was named in 2016. You can ask the author of the thread.

If Biblical referencing is not to your liking this is not the forum for you.

[William]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #2391]

If Biblical referencing is not to your liking this is not the forum for you.

Biblical referencing is fine - I do it myself and don't have a problem with it. As I wrote - The debate isn't centered on whether the bible is true or not. It is just about whether anyone's particular interpretation of biblical script is true or not, regarding the subject of living on this planet forever...

So far, the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...interpretation is what causes the various beliefs on the matter, which is why the questions come up.

If you want to ignore the questions because the questions conflict with your interpretations of biblical script, that won't make the questions go away.

[JehovahsWitness]

... the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...

Since it is Gods purpose and He invented logic as well as the intellectual capacity to recognise logic, the obvious answer to that question is YES, ...it most certainly is logical.



JW

[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2393]

... the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...

Since it is Gods purpose and He invented logic as well as the intellectual capacity to recognise logic, the obvious answer to that question is YES, ...it most certainly is logical.

Thus we question what is involved regarding the logic and post findings on that.


Like being married to the same person forever or being the same sex forever because that is what being 'good' is all about.

I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.

Like a Shepard with his sheep, corralled so that they have no knowledge of the ones they despised so willfully in the name of GOOD, they are doomed to a forever on this planet while the rest fly free and enjoy the fruits of The Grand Galaxy.

It is a fitting sentence for such. Justice.

Those who interpret the idea of living forever on this planet, being human, being married, remaining the gender one has always been can logically have that, while others can logically have other stuff that is within YHWHs power to give to them...YHWH doesn't tell us everything YHWH works with ones beliefs.

My answer to the question "Who doesn't want to keep living on this beautiful earth, with our loved ones, and being able to do all the things we love to do---endlessly?" is
There is no logical reason why one need have to remain on the planet forever when there is a whole universe to explore...that the bible might omit that, does not in itself mean that it is not on YHWHs agenda...it is all good, after all.

[Miles]

... the idea that one shall live on this earth forever isn't under question. What is under question is the logic of such belief...

Since it is Gods purpose and He invented logic as well as the intellectual capacity to recognise logic, the obvious answer to that question is YES, ...it most certainly is logical.

So you believe that the law of identity, the law of excluded middle, and the law of non-contradiction would not be true unless god invented them? That without god's invention of logic a statement need not be identical with itself. That without god's invention of logic if one of two contradictory statements is denied the other need not be affirmed. That without god's invention of logic contradictory propositions could both be true in the same sense at the same time?

That without god's invention of logic syllogisms would never be valid. That we could never say:

All M are P
S is M
_________
∴ S is P

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[JehovahsWitness]

Thus we question what is involved regarding the logic and post findings on that.

IS WHAT GOD HAS PURPOSED LOGICAL?

Some decisive findings on this question are as follows...

ISAIAH 55: 8, 9

For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways are not my ways,” declares Jehovah. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so my ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts."

PSALM 92:5

How great your works are, O Jehovah!How very deep your thoughts are!

Logically, an omniscient God that not only knows everything about everything but created logic is the one that is in a position to ultimately declare what is or is not logical (as in what is "reasonable and sensible"). His declaration that everything he created was "very good" at the end of the 6th creative "day" was a de facto pronouncement that what He had done (and purposed) was indeed logical. Note the following observation ...

ECCLESIASTES 3:11

He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has even put eternity in their heart yet mankind will never find out the work that the true God has made from start to finish."

God's purpose that humans live forever is both reasonable and sensible (logical). Reasonable, since the desire is part of our design (and it is reasonable that something does what it is designed to do) and sensible since he has accorded humans the opportunity to do so in the very best of conditions. Ecclesiates confirms it would indeed take a eternity to explore all God has created (including the far reaches of the universe) humans do not risk being bored or frustrated with unending life.



JW

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[Miles]

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[JehovahsWitness]

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[Miles]

God's purpose that humans live forever is both reasonable and sensible (logical). Reasonable, since the desire is part of our design (and it is reasonable that something does what it is designed to do) and sensible since he has accorded humans the opportunity to do so in the very best of conditions.

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QUESTION: Won't the earth eventually become over populated if nobody dies?

There is the potential for this problem but looking back to the bible we can learn a lot from God's original command to Adam and Eve.

GENESIS 1:28
And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth -

So the original command was for humans to "fill the earth" not over populate it.

Actually, the command was for A&E, not humans, or are we to suppose that A&E would somehow pass along this info to all who followed? Extremely doubtful. Heck, even today god can't get a hearing in some parts of the world, and where he has often he's dismissed out of hand. In any case, how does a population stop itself from breeding? Once the earth is "filled" what are people supposed to do, immediately stop breeding? Knowing how pleasurable sex can be, Lots of luck with that. Nope, I can see humanity happily passing the "full" mark and going right on to the clawing, crowding, falling-off-the-earth phase, and depleting all of Earth's resources along the way. So unless god implants some kind of time-release birth control device into those living in the end times, Overpopulation Today And Tomorrow is the tune everybody will be singing.


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[William]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #2396]

You misunderstood. I was not speaking of YHWH being illogical. I was speaking of the belief that one can only exist forever on this planet as being illogical - as per the question asked in the OP.
There are the heavens to explore.

So it is not illogical to think that living in this universe forever and exploring it as YHWH intended us to do.
But it is illogical to think that one will be limited to only living forever on this planet.