How to become an angel!

[myth-one.com]

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel.

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

[tam]

Peace to you,

Peace to you,

We do not become "angels" (seraphs). Seraphs (angels) are their own "kind".

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

There is no own "kind" mentioned.

Angels are either natural or spiritual bodied beings.

Which body type are the angels?

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Dogs are natural bodied beings as well, but humans are not dogs.

Humans, dogs, fish, worms, elephants, and viruses are also natural bodied beings!

God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings!

Yes, but God is not an angel, per se... right?

You seem to be missing the point that not all spirit beings must be the same kind; just as not all physical beings are the same kind.

Humans are still going to be human... just in a new body (the spirit body/white robe).

In the same way, a human can receive the new body (the white robe; the spirit body) without becoming an angel (seraph).

No. The natural and spiritual bodies come in a fixed order for believers:

I haven't said anything against the order of things.

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures! All men are born as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again as everlasting spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body/white robe that has life in it... as opposed to the body we have now, the long garment of skin that has sin and death in it).


Peace again to you.

[myth-one.com]

But we will still be human, just in a new body (the spirit body/white robe that has life in it... as opposed to the body we have now, the long garment of skin that has sin and death in it).

Peace again to you.

To gain everlasting life, humans must be born a second time as spiritual beings:

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Christians will be born again of the Spirit.

And those born of the Spirit are spirits!

Why do you insist that we will still be human?

If that were so, we could not enter the Kingdom of God:

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;...

[2timothy316]

Then explain Revelation 3:14 where it says of Jesus as 'the beginning of the creation by God' and the word firstborn isn't used.

God's purpose in Man is to create immortal beings equal unto the angels to replace the earthly angels who rebelled against God. This process starts with the death of Jesus. When Jesus died, the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant. So the beginning of the creation by God through Jesus began with the death of Jesus. From that point forward, whosoever believes in Jesus shall have angelic everlasting life.

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People discuss Christianity as if The Word and Jesus are the same being -- which they are not.

The Word has existed from the beginning.

The man Jesus was born about 2022 years ago.

Jesus was not present at the Garden of Eden creation.

That is not what the scriptures say.
"Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been." - John 8:58
"So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:5

Was Jesus lying?

[myth-one.com]

Then explain Revelation 3:14 where it says of Jesus as 'the beginning of the creation by God' and the word firstborn isn't used.

God's purpose in Man is to create immortal beings equal unto the angels to replace the earthly angels who rebelled against God. This process starts with the death of Jesus. When Jesus died, the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant. So the beginning of the creation by God through Jesus began with the death of Jesus. From that point forward, whosoever believes in Jesus shall have angelic everlasting life.

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People discuss Christianity as if The Word and Jesus are the same being -- which they are not.

The Word has existed from the beginning.

The man Jesus was born about 2022 years ago.

Jesus was not present at the Garden of Eden creation.

That is not what the scriptures say.
"Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been." - John 8:58
"So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:5

Was Jesus lying?

No.

The "I" highlighted two times above in Red refers to The Word -- not Jesus.

Jesus was the Word made flesh. There is some type of interface between The Word and the Word made flesh as Jesus.

Jesus understood how that process worked.

I do not understand how it worked, and neither does any other living human. It remains a mystery:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Man barely understands the physical world in which we live.

[2timothy316]

Then explain Revelation 3:14 where it says of Jesus as 'the beginning of the creation by God' and the word firstborn isn't used.

God's purpose in Man is to create immortal beings equal unto the angels to replace the earthly angels who rebelled against God. This process starts with the death of Jesus. When Jesus died, the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant. So the beginning of the creation by God through Jesus began with the death of Jesus. From that point forward, whosoever believes in Jesus shall have angelic everlasting life.

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People discuss Christianity as if The Word and Jesus are the same being -- which they are not.

The Word has existed from the beginning.

The man Jesus was born about 2022 years ago.

Jesus was not present at the Garden of Eden creation.

That is not what the scriptures say.
"Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been." - John 8:58
"So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:5

Was Jesus lying?

No.

The "I" highlighted two times above in Red refers to The Word -- not Jesus.

Jesus was the Word made flesh. There is some type of interface between The Word and the Word made flesh as Jesus.

Jesus understood how that process worked.

I do not understand how it worked, and neither does any other living human. It remains a mystery:

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Man barely understands the physical world in which we live.

You're not showing scriptures just personal opinion. There is no indication that Jesus was referring to anyone else other than himself. If I say, "I am hungry." There is no reason for you to think I'm speaking of someone else. You'll need scriptural support for your dogma that Jesus was talking about someone else other than himself.

Perhaps its not a mystery at all if we just trust what Jesus said as he said it. To say it's a mystery is to say that God is failure at teaching.

The book of John is about one or two beings?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Hi, 2timothy316.

Wasn't Jesus born about 2022 years ago?

If so, He was born after Abraham.

And He was certainly born long after the beginning of the world.

There was absolutely no reason for Jesus to exist in the beginning.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Hi, 2timothy316.

Wasn't Jesus born about 2022 years ago?

As a man yes. As a spirit, no.

If so, He was born after Abraham.

So John 8:58 is a lie to you...ok. What parts of the Bible do you accept?

And He was certainly born long after the beginning of the world.

Yet that is not what Jesus said of himself.
While praying he said, "So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." - John 17:5
Was Jesus lying in his prayer? Was he never really with God, his Father?

There was absolutely no reason for Jesus to exist in the beginning.

I'm confused as to why you think there must be a reason. Is that reasoning Bible based or opinion based?

[myth-one.com]

Wasn't Jesus born about 2022 years ago?

As a man yes. As a spirit, no.

We agree. Jesus was born as a man around 2022 years ago.

Abraham was born many years prior to Jesus. So Jesus as a man did not exist before Abraham.

So John 8:58 is a lie to you...ok.

John 8:58 is not a lie to me, because I understand what Jesus is saying. He is saying that He existed as the Word from the beginning!

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There was absolutely no reason for Jesus to exist in the beginning.

I'm confused as to why you think there must be a reason.

Jesus was sent on a mission that only a human could accomplish. So you do not understand what the mission and purpose of Jesus Christ was?

Here it is again from post #1 at the top of this thread:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

To summarize, the reason and purpose of Jesus is so that mankind can gain salvation from the second death -- which is wages of their sin.

Mankind can accept the gift that Jesus freely offers to whosoever believes in Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins.

Jesus accomplishes this by offering His inheritance earned under the original testament between God and Mankind as the gift!

That is, under the Old Testament Covenant the wages of sin is the second death, but Jesus never sinned, thus He is an inheritor of everlasting spiritual life under the Old Testament Covenant. The wages of sin is death, he never sinned, thus He earned everlasting life, which will be received when the testament is probated.

Here's how the Bible puts it:

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #34]
"The Word" was Jesus. He has always been the one who communicated with men for his Father, Jehovah. Because he has spoken with men, he is called "the Word."

[onewithhim]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #35]

Hi, 2timothy316.

Wasn't Jesus born about 2022 years ago?

If so, He was born after Abraham.

And He was certainly born long after the beginning of the world.

There was absolutely no reason for Jesus to exist in the beginning.

Jesus was born in the heavens before everything else. He was created first and then all the angels. Then the universe with the planets and our earth, and then mankind, of which Abraham was a member. He was born BEFORE Abraham.