How to become an angel!

[myth-one.com]

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6). All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

The two testaments of the Bible are covenants or wills between God and mankind. The inheritance which heirs receive under either covenant is everlasting life. Each Bible testament describes the path to everlasting life for mankind under that particular covenant.

The path to eternal life under the first covenant was to never sin (Romans 6:23). However, there was a fault in the first testament in that all mankind sinned! (Romans 5:12) Since the first covenant contained a fault, God created a second or New Testament (Hebrews 3:6).

Under the New Testament Covenant, one must believe in Jesus as their Savior to gain everlasting life (John 3:16). Here is how that came to be:

The Word (a Spirit) was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ (John 1:14). Being a man (1Timothy 2:5), Jesus was included as a possible beneficiary under the original covenant between God and mankind.

In fact, Jesus became the only human to become an heir to immortality under the Old Testament Covenant! (1 Timothy 6:16).

His future inheritance belongs solely to Him, it is His possession, He owns it! And He is the only human that "hath immortality" as an inheritance.

But Jesus freely chooses to offer His inheritance as a gift to humans who believe in Him as their Savior. This is codified in the New Testament Covenant! (John 3:16)

But how can the one everlasting life which is Jesus' inheritance be distributed to more that one believer? Here's how that is justified in the scriptures:

Since many sinned due to one man (Adam), it is only fair that likewise many should be saved by the gift of everlasting life offered freely by the one man, Jesus Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Once the Word was made flesh as Jesus, Jesus had no choice but to die His first death – as it is appointed unto man once to die. So Jesus’ death, while required, is not what saves us.

What saves us is that Jesus offers His just inheritance of everlasting spiritual life received by His living a sinless life under the Old Testament Covenant to those humans who accept Him as their Savior from the wages of their sins under the New Testament Covenant.

Believers receive their inheritance of everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (John 3:6) at the second Coming (Romans 5:15).

Conclusion: Whosoever believeth shall be born again of the Spirit, as a spirit, into the spiritual Kingdom of God, at the Second Coming. When this occurs, we will become equal unto the angels.

That is how any human may become an angel.

If you want to debate the above explanation, please do so with scripture references to support your claims.

[Abigail]

Angels were envoys, messengers

Maybe we're all angels here when we deliver messages to one another in a discussion forum.

Angel- "Both are from Late Latin angelus, from Greek angelos, literally "messenger, envoy, one that announces," ...https://www.etymonline.com/word/angel

This is a debate forum not a discussion forum. But if those posting on a debate forum also ascend and descend from heaven on a stairway then sure, they can be considered angels in a Biblical sense:

Genesis 28:12

12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Tcg

Ah, Contrarianism. How amusing.

[2timothy316]

Consider this: Colossians 1:15 says of Jesus, "He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." If Jesus was the firstborn of all creation, that would make him an angel right?

No, Jesus was not an angel. Jesus was made as a man:

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jesus Christ was made to be "a little lower than the angels," exactly as man was created:

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels,

So who is Colossians 1:15 talking about?

Hi 2timothy316,

Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Verse 15 is definitely referring to Jesus Christ. He was born a man in the image of God, and "firstborn" has the Old Testament meaning of "first in position." It correctly indicates that He is the first in position, being the only man to become an heir to everlasting life under the Old Testament Covenant.

He became the first of many heirs. But every other heir unto salvation becomes so under the New Testament Covenant.

Then explain Revelation 3:14 where it says of Jesus as 'the beginning of the creation by God' and the word firstborn isn't used. This indicates that Jesus is THE first creation not just firstborn. Proverbs 8:22 says, "Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago." Aren't all of these scriptures talking about the same being?

[Tcg]

Angels were envoys, messengers

Maybe we're all angels here when we deliver messages to one another in a discussion forum.

Angel- "Both are from Late Latin angelus, from Greek angelos, literally "messenger, envoy, one that announces," ...https://www.etymonline.com/word/angel

This is a debate forum not a discussion forum. But if those posting on a debate forum also ascend and descend from heaven on a stairway then sure, they can be considered angels in a Biblical sense:

Genesis 28:12

12 He had a dream in which he saw a stairway resting on the earth, with its top reaching to heaven, and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it.

Tcg

Ah, Contrarianism. How amusing.

I've presented the reality of how angles are viewed of in the Bible which of course includes the O.T. which was originally written in neither Greek nor Latin.


Tcg

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The purpose of the covenant was to produce replacements for the angels who left their first estate (the earth):
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The problem with that is, Bible doesn’t really say so.

[myth-one.com]

Then explain Revelation 3:14 where it says of Jesus as 'the beginning of the creation by God' and the word firstborn isn't used.

God's purpose in Man is to create immortal beings equal unto the angels to replace the earthly angels who rebelled against God. This process starts with the death of Jesus. When Jesus died, the New Testament Covenant became the effective covenant. So the beginning of the creation by God through Jesus began with the death of Jesus. From that point forward, whosoever believes in Jesus shall have angelic everlasting life.

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People discuss Christianity as if The Word and Jesus are the same being -- which they are not.

The Word has existed from the beginning.

The man Jesus was born about 2022 years ago.

Jesus was not present at the Garden of Eden creation.

[myth-one.com]

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The purpose of the covenant was to produce replacements for the angels who left their first estate (the earth):
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The problem with that is, Bible doesn’t really say so.

So what does the Bible say as to the purpose of the covenant?

[tam]

Peace to you,

We do not become "angels" (seraphs). Seraphs (angels) are their own "kind".

(keep in mind that angel also means messenger, but you seem to be referring to the beings - seraphs - who are commonly called angels)

Two type of bodies are defined in the Bible, natural and spiritual (I Corinthians 15:44). Man is a natural bodied being and God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings (John 3:6).

Dogs are natural bodied beings as well, but humans are not dogs.

In the same way, a human can receive the new body (the white robe; the spirit body) without becoming an angel (seraph).

All men will die (Hebrews 9:27), and all spiritual bodied beings will live forever. (Luke 20:36).

Some spiritual bodied beings will be destroyed. An angel (seraph) does not die of natural causes (the spirit body has no death in it, and it cannot get sick and die), but can be weakened and then destroyed (as is the case with the Adversary when first bound in the Abyss, and then cast into the lake of fire.)


Equal unto the angels = like the angels. It does not mean that we will become angels (seraphs).


What you said about being born again though... yes; we receive a token/guarantee now (the deposit of holy spirit, which makes us children of God even now)... but we are not fully born again until Christ returns and we are caught up and changed (in a twinkling), into the new body (the spirit body; the white robe). Literally born again into a new body. That doesn't mean that we will have become ethereal ghost-like beings... Christ could eat and be touched and seen after His death and resurrection (and He will be seen again by every eye), as can angels be seen, etc, if they manifest physical form (energy to matter, and vice versa), moving in and out of the spiritual realm. This body (with sin and death in it) cannot do that. But the new body (the white robe that has NO sin or death in it) CAN.


Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

We do not become "angels" (seraphs). Seraphs (angels) are their own "kind".

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

There is no own "kind" mentioned.

Angels are either natural or spiritual bodied beings.

Which body type are the angels?

[tam]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #28]

You have to keep reading the rest of the post, myth-one (peace to you!)

[myth-one.com]

Peace to you,

We do not become "angels" (seraphs). Seraphs (angels) are their own "kind".

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

There is no own "kind" mentioned.

Angels are either natural or spiritual bodied beings.

Which body type are the angels?

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Dogs are natural bodied beings as well, but humans are not dogs.

Humans, dogs, fish, worms, elephants, and viruses are also natural bodied beings!

God and the angels are spiritual bodied beings!

In the same way, a human can receive the new body (the white robe; the spirit body) without becoming an angel (seraph).

No. The natural and spiritual bodies come in a fixed order for believers:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

The natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures! All men are born as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again as everlasting spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

When believers are born again of the Spirit as spiritual bodied beings, they can never die again. The option of death will no longer be available!