JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

[Revelations won]

What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

Let us hear your clear answers to the above questions.

Kind regards,
RW

[Avoice]

Jews were waiting for a Messiah or Christ on the part of Jehovah for thousands of years ... since it ceased to exist a king descendant of David sitting on a throne and reigning by Jehovah. In the first century they were waiting for it too, and we know it not only because the NT says so; the non-Christian Jewish history, which presents to us several false Messiah as the expected Christ, says the same. Today Jews continue to expect that Messianic king who was promised since the fall of the Kingdom of Judah ... and predicted from before, at the same time that the fall was also predicted. The restoration of the Government of God is linked indissolubly with the establishment of Messiah as a king from Jehovah. Deny Messianic Prophecies is to ignore the biblical reality completely.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ONES WHO WERE THOUGHT TO BE THE MESSIAH WERE NOT THE MESSIAH? TELL ME

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #47]

Yes, it says the nation's will learn of God from Jacob. And they won't be teaching using a mistranslated version of the scriptures.

If you want to know what God's message says you go to the oldest known biblical works . Go to the Dead Sea Scrolls. You'll learn they don't fully support the Greek translation. You are drinking water down stream and it tastes good to you. And that's all you've ever had. You think it's pure. Maybe it's okay with you but I don't want anyone swishing water around in their mouth and spitting it into my glass and telling me to swallow it.

God has made sure his message to man has survived through the ages. Against all odds. That's why the Jews have survived. Every generation has a chance to hear what his message to man says. That's why they were chosen. We aren't special or better than anyone else. What makes us different is that we will not corrupt God's message. In the hands if the nation's around us they have raped the text. Altered the message.

If the gentiles are right and the Jews are wrong the scriptures would say the Jews will go to the gentiles. But IT SAYS THE OPPOSITE. THE GENTILES WILL GO TO THE JEWS - TO JACOB (Israel) Jacob is Israel.

And what will the gentiles say:. Take us with you for NOW WE KNOW God is with you. "Now we know" One only says that when they were wrong about where God was. The gentiles also say: "Our fathers have inherited lies. In things where there is no profit. Can man make unto himself Gods and they are not?"

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #47]

Yes, it says the nation's will learn of God from Jacob. And they won't be teaching using a mistranslated version of the scriptures.

What scripture are you quoting that there would be no other languages used? Or is this another opinion? How do you know what is mistranslated or not? Are you an accredited translator? What is your source for your claim? You also didn't answer my question: Is God's hand so short that He can't make His will known to others that can't read or speak Hebrew?

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #44]

Sorry just what is it that dete mines your truth?

The Greek and Hebrew do not read the same in many cases. Only one can be the authority but which all other versions can be tested. So which is it? Are you going with the top copy - the original Hebrew Bible which is written in a semitic language or a translation?

This forum can have whatever rules it wants.

It sure can and if you don't want to follow those rules then your points are null and void.
Are you an expert in the Hebrew and Greek languages so that you can be used as a reference? Or are you just another novice translator making baseless accusations with nothing but their opinion to show for it?

Does God have a language handicap? Which makes no sense seeing how He made all languages. (Genesis 11:8, 9)

[2timothy316]

If the gentiles are right and the Jews are wrong the scriptures would say the Jews will go to the gentiles. But IT SAYS THE OPPOSITE. THE GENTILES WILL GO TO THE JEWS - TO JACOB (Israel) Jacob is Israel.

LOL Who do you think translated the Law Code into Greek? Oy vay!
Certainly you know the history of the Septuagint?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Septuagint
It was the Jews that did that because there were Greek speaking Jews. So if the Septuagint is not a good translation as you say, then it's the Jews own fault! However, truthfully it is not a bad translation as scholars use the Septuagint to bring clarity to the Hebrew version of the Law Code. And why does it bring clarity? Because it was the Jews who translated the Hebrew into Greek.

Your claim that the Bible can't be translated into Greek or any other language is unfounded and baseless. It also shows your claim to blame the Jews for their translation work. You exult them and condemn them at the same time. It also asserts God is weak when it comes to languages.

[Eloi]

Jews were waiting for a Messiah or Christ on the part of Jehovah for thousands of years ... since it ceased to exist a king descendant of David sitting on a throne and reigning by Jehovah. In the first century they were waiting for it too, and we know it not only because the NT says so; the non-Christian Jewish history, which presents to us several false Messiah as the expected Christ, says the same. Today Jews continue to expect that Messianic king who was promised since the fall of the Kingdom of Judah ... and predicted from before, at the same time that the fall was also predicted. The restoration of the Government of God is linked indissolubly with the establishment of Messiah as a king from Jehovah. Deny Messianic Prophecies is to ignore the biblical reality completely.

HOW DO YOU KNOW THE ONES WHO WERE THOUGHT TO BE THE MESSIAH WERE NOT THE MESSIAH? TELL ME

That is not the question here ...

What is proven is that the Hebrew Scriptures DID prophesy about the Messiah, and the ancient Jews as a community directly linked to the origin of those Scriptures, knew it very well... contrary to what you implied before.

(...) NO WHERE IN THE HEBREW BIBLE IS THE ONE WE WAIT FOR CALLED MOSHIACH.

[Avoice]

[Replying to Eloi in post #56]

I'm not implying it. I am saying it is true.
NO WHERE IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES US THE ONE WE ARE WAITING FOR REFERRED TO AS "MOSHIACH"

But you make the claim that there were people who were thought to be the one we wait for but they were false. HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY WERE FALSE? You say they were. How do you know?

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #55]

The group of rabbis only translated the five books of Moses. That isn't where we find the errors. The errors are found in the remaining books.

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #54]

So God translated and us responsible for the King James Bible?
Your remark about God being handicapped when it comes to languages is rediculous . He didn't do the translations

[Eloi]

[Replying to Eloi in post #56]

I'm not implying it. I am saying it is true.
NO WHERE IN THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES US THE ONE WE ARE WAITING FOR REFERRED TO AS "MOSHIACH"

But you make the claim that there were people who were thought to be the one we wait for but they were false. HOW DO YOU KNOW THEY WERE FALSE? You say they were. How do you know?

Well, man, I do not have any idea about what kind of not-Messiah person you are waiting for.