JW's claim of Kingdom of God establish in 1914?

[Revelations won]

What was the date of this claim of the Kingdom of God restored in 1914?

What did God do to set up the Kingdom of Heaven?

Is there any record of what he said to accomplish this great event?

Did the JW's originally claim that Christ would come on the date they claimed?

Let us hear your clear answers to the above questions.

Kind regards,
RW

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #40]

Who cares what the Greeks said. You have to go to the Hebrew for the correct wording.

Using the Greek translation as your proof shows you don't know the basics about knowing the truth.

Ever seen a contract ....there's the top white copy. That's the one that actually has the signature in ink. The pink and yellow copies are only copies of the top. Well...you Greek translation is a pink or yellow copy. Your Greek septugiant has mistranslation. The top copy is the judge as to what is true.

Why can't you turn to the original Hebrew,? I know why because it won't support what you are saying.
No lie is of the truth. You want lies...go ahead.

But whatever claims the church makes MUST BE UPHELD by the original Hebrew. Only a fool would say a translation determines the truth.

If you ever go to court over breach of contract the judge will base his decision on the white copy. And if you or the other party presents a pink or yellow copy with words altered you will be charged with fraud. And for you to say the Greek translation is the word of God you are speaking fraudulently. And you do t care if God's message has been altered. God has been robbed and you don't care. You don't.

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #40]

You say if I don't accept the Greek translation I'm in the wrong forum?

So this forum is for people who can't use the Hebrew Scriptures to validate their beliefs. This is only for those who need to lean on lies.

The truth hides from nothing.
A lie hates the light and refuses to stand next to it because it will be seen for what it is. A lie. If you could go to the Hebrew you would. But you cant. It's not that you don't want to - you can't.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #40]

Who cares what the Greeks said. You have to go to the Hebrew for the correct wording.

Serious students of Hebrew scripture should because one if the first translations of the Hebrew bible, the Septuagint, was into that language. Why is that significant? Because it provided the link between the ancient and modern languages and helps us understand better what many Hebrews terms meant. Nobody today speaks ancient Hebrew or has access to the original texts in that language, the Greek Septuagint is a living link to those holy texts made by the Jewish people and available in the first century. Nobody that has respect for Gods word should disregard the value of the Greek Septuagint if they want to have a complete understanding of HEBREW bible.


FURTHER READING
https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/greek-texts/septuagint/

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #40]

You say if I don't accept the Greek translation I'm in the wrong forum?

Its not about what I say, it's the purpose of this forum. You can read it here. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3168
I do not have to defend the Greek Scriptures' authority. You don't have to accept it but as far as debate is concerned, a person's refusal to accept these terms automatically loses the debate, as they have no other reference other than their own opinion which means nothing here. The C&A forum is better for blasting out opinions without references.

So this forum is for people who can't use the Hebrew Scriptures to validate their beliefs. This is only for those who need to lean on lies.

Nope, read the guidelines of this forum. You will read that no part of the Bible is considered higher than the other.

The truth hides from nothing.

No. People hide from the truth. Many hide from the Hebrew Scriptures and many from the Greek Scriptures. From your comments it appears you wish to hide from the Greek Scriptures.

A lie hates the light and refuses to stand next to it because it will be seen for what it is. A lie. If you could go to the Hebrew you would. But you cant. It's not that you don't want to - you can't.

Both Hebrew AND Greek Scriptures are sacred to me. Both are true and I do not hide from neither one. This gives me insight to truth because I accept all of the Bible as God's word and not just the parts that fit my dogma. I don't even refer to the Bible as having two parts most of the time. I only do it here because folks such as yourself have this split in their mind between old and new. To me, there is no old or new for the Bible. There is just the Bible, which is God's Word and God's Word is Truth. (John 17:17)

Take the subject of this thread for example. Jehovah's Witnesses got the 1914 date not from just one part of the Bible. It comes from both the Hebrew Scriptures AND the Greek Scriptures. In fact, if we only paid attention to one and not the other we would have never determined that the end of the 'appointed time of the nations' came in 1914.

Here is a question for you. You say you accept the Hebrew right? Do you accept that the book of Daniel is true and from God? Or do you hide from it?

[Avoice]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #43]

If that is the rules of this forum it is rediculous. You mean to tell me I have to base my reasoning on a Greek translation? You are kidding me, right?

And ONLY the five books of Moses were translated by the Jews. The rest (where you find the errors and deception ) is in the rest of it.

Is there a reason why you won't go to the source?
Yes, I accept the book of Daniel. It's part of the Hebrew Scriptures. What??? We're you planning to respond by telling me some is in Aramaic? It's in the Hebrew Scriptures.

The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest known to man. Whatever doesn't comport with that is false.
Go ahead .....you use your Translation. May you believe every word of it. You deserve it. Every mistranslated, omitted, and inserted word.

[otseng]

God has been robbed and you don't care. You don't.

But you cant. It's not that you don't want to - you can't.

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[2timothy316]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #43]

If that is the rules of this forum it is rediculous. You mean to tell me I have to base my reasoning on a Greek translation? You are kidding me, right?

If you want to make a debate here then yes!
As if God's hand is so short that He can only speak in Hebrew? Conveying His will can't be explained in any other language because He can't do it? Are you kidding me?

Isaiah 2:2, 3 says that people from all nations will say, “Come and let us go up to Jehovah’s mountain, to the house of the God of Jacob, to have him instruct us in ways of his that we may go in his paths,”. In order for that to happen that means that people are going to have to hear about God's ways in some other language other than Hebrew.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #33]

First of all, the term “mashiach”, which literally means “anointed one,” is NEVER used in the Torah in reference to the Messiah as we think of it today.
If you were walking around Jerusalem two thousand years ago and asked where the Messiah was they would say Which one?

That's not true. Two thousand years ago the Jews were looking for the Messiah to come, the one who would atone for Israel. When Jesus was taken to the temple to be circumcised there were two such Jews therein that were thrilled to see the Messiah coming there.

"And look! there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, and this man was righteous and reverent, waiting for Israel's consolation, and holy spirit was upon him. Furthermore, it had been divinely revealed to him by the holy spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Christ of Jehovah. Under the power of the spirit he now came into the temple; and as the parents brought the young child Jesus in to do for it according to the customary practice of the law, he received it into his arms and blessed God and said: '"Now, Sovereign Lord, you are letting your slave go free in peace according to your declaration; because my eyes have seen your means of saving that you have made ready in the sight of all peoples, a light removing the veil from the nations and a glory of your people Israel.'...Also, Simeon blessed them, but said to Mary its mother: 'Look! This one is laid for the fall and for a sign to be talked against (yes, a long sword will be run through the your soul).'" (Luke 2:25-35)

"Now there was Anna a prophetess...of Asher's tribe (this woman was well along in years...a widow now eighty-four years old), wo was never missing from the temple, rendering sacred service night and day with fastings and supplications. And in that very hour she came near and began returning thanks to God and speaking about the child to all those waiting for Jerusalem's deliverance." (Luke 2:36-38)

So you are very ill informed about the people not looking for the Messiah of God. They were indeed looking for him at that time.


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[Eloi]

Jews were waiting for a Messiah or Christ on the part of Jehovah for thousands of years ... since it ceased to exist a king descendant of David sitting on a throne and reigning by Jehovah. In the first century they were waiting for it too, and we know it not only because the NT says so; the non-Christian Jewish history, which presents to us several false Messiah as the expected Christ, says the same. Today Jews continue to expect that Messianic king who was promised since the fall of the Kingdom of Judah ... and predicted from before, at the same time that the fall was also predicted. The restoration of the Government of God is linked indissolubly with the establishment of Messiah as a king from Jehovah. Deny Messianic Prophecies is to ignore the biblical reality completely.

[Avoice]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #44]

Sorry just what is it that dete mines your truth?

The Greek and Hebrew do not read the same in many cases. Only one can be the authority but which all other versions can be tested. So which is it? Are you going with the top copy - the original Hebrew Bible which is written in a semitic language or a translation?

This forum can have whatever rules it wants.

Perhaps the Mormon Bible should be the ultimate authority for determining "the winner" How does that sound? Is the Mormon Bible the authority by which truth must be determined? Yes or no? And tell me why you agree or disagree. Thank you