Russia Attacks Ukraine

[Diogenes]

For the first time since 1939 a major European power, Russia, has attacked another country in Europe, Ukraine. We have not seen an analogous situation since Germany attacked Poland setting off World War 2. Surprisingly we have Neville Chamberlain like appeasement/isolationist responses from Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson. Besides the 180° turn from traditional Republican politics, to what extent are these events relevant to Christianity?

[Sherlock Holmes]

As we speak many countries are planning to supply weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, thus using Ukraine as the proxy to fight Russia, if they want peace they would never do this, the more they arm Ukraine the more Russia will fight and the more devastation will ensue.

It was arming Ukraine after the 2014 coup, that has provoked what we see today: Brookings Institute - Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea.

Well I can say the war rhetoric from Western countries, including Ukraine is not helping. It's only inflaming the situation. Of course, Putin himself is contributing to this rhetoric. Now this is becoming a game of who has the bigger balls which I assume is why Putin sending in reinforcements from Belarus and Chechnya to fight his war. The West should not be playing this game unless they are willing to send actual manpower to Ukraine.



I think this is really an unnecessary step, and again is just Putin trying to show off whatever military might he has.

It is a very worrying situation, the West has now managed to apply brutal sanctions on Russia (I wonder if this was their true goal all along using Ukraine as a means to an end...). These will lead to growing instability within Russia, I'm sure Putin has many enemies who would like to see him overthrown.

Russian people will soon start to suffer, food prices rising, employment faltering, industry slowing down, medicines becoming scarce and so on.

Why would the West make an entire huge country suffer just to let a little country like Ukraine join NATO? makes no sense unless its geopolitics, an attempt to weaken Russia, "little" countries are routinely used like pawns on a chess board by the superpowers so there's no truth that anyone cares about Ukraine freedom, sovereignty, democracy etc, that kind of talk is all propaganda and the press obediently spread it.

The dumb press imply that Putin and the "oligarchs" will suffer but that's ridiculous, these are the very people who can handle this but the average Russian family are already not wealthy.

The same thing happened at the start of the Yugoslav break up, the currency faltered, ethnic/political tensions rose and wars broke out, this is all solid documented history.

I think the West really wanted Putin to invade and he was left with no option but to invade. The Russians made it very clear, they - reasonably - did not want to see foreign military bases setup so close to their border, especially when that military represents US interests, Russia's old nemesis.

[Sherlock Holmes]

This is very relevant news article.

[Sherlock Holmes]

OK Bernie Sanders has spoken out, I agree completely with his assessment.

[AgnosticBoy]

Just as I thought that mainstream media was only interested in painting a rosy picture, here's one reported wrongdoing being done by Ukraine:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/28/europe/s ... index.html

As the Russian invasion of Ukraine continues, foreign students attempting to leave the country say they are experiencing racist treatment by Ukrainian security forces and border officials.

Rachel Onyegbule, a Nigerian first-year medical student in Lviv was left stranded at the border town of Shehyni, some 400 miles from Ukraine's capital, Kyiv.
She told CNN: "More than 10 buses came and we were watching everyone leave. We thought after they took all the Ukrainians they would take us, but they told us we had to walk, that there were no more buses and told us to walk."

Saakshi Ijantkar, a fourth-year medical student from India, also shared her ordeal with CNN Monday via a phone call from Lviv, western Ukraine.
"There are three checkposts we need to go through to get to the border. A lot of people are stranded there. They don't allow Indians to go through.

They allow 30 Indians only after 500 Ukrainians get in. To get to this border you need to walk 4 to 5 kilometers from the first checkpoint to the second one. Ukrainians are given taxis and buses to travel, all other nationalities have to walk. They were very racist to Indians and other nationalities,'" the 22-year-old from Mumbai told CNN.

[alexxcJRO]

The west start or encourage a war or invade (Iraq, Yugoslavia, Libya, East Timor, Nicaragua, Panama, Afghanistan...) and its always "justified", "saving democracy", then along comes Russia invading Ukraine and its the evil empire, Hitler reincarnate, the press enable these misrepresentations and the uncritical public never question this official "truth".

Putin and his regime its evil and malevolent conform the concepts, definitions.
Putin said: “First and foremost it is worth acknowledging that the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century,”
He most likely wants to make URSS great again. Belarus is kind of checked.
Now he wants to check Ukraine.
Killing innocents, destroying a country that did not attack you it is not a tragedy but URSS not existing anymore it is. The disconnect is real. The delusion is real and/or imperialistic mindset is real and/or the narcissism/ psychopathy /sociopathy is real.
Putin’s regime is malevolent and evil also because it does not allow free speech.
Arresting protesters for simply manifesting. Propaganda is in full swing.
The censorship is in full effect, hiding certain things. Desperately trying to paint a certain painting.
I had my comments being deleted in RT’s Youtube channel comments section.
Did an experiment. I keep posting the same critical comment against Putin which got deleted more then 10 times. Every deletion occurred in less then 10 seconds.

[alexxcJRO]

As we speak many countries are planning to supply weapons and ammunition to Ukraine, thus using Ukraine as the proxy to fight Russia, if they want peace they would never do this, the more they arm Ukraine the more Russia will fight and the more devastation will ensue.

It was arming Ukraine after the 2014 coup, that has provoked what we see today: Brookings Institute - Why Arming the Ukrainians is a Bad Idea.

Well I can say the war rhetoric from Western countries, including Ukraine is not helping. It's only inflaming the situation. Of course, Putin himself is contributing to this rhetoric. Now this is becoming a game of who has the bigger balls which I assume is why Putin sending in reinforcements from Belarus and Chechnya to fight his war. The West should not be playing this game unless they are willing to send actual manpower to Ukraine.



I think this is really an unnecessary step, and again is just Putin trying to show off whatever military might he has.

Things are heating up indeed.
Hope it does not lead up to nuclear exchange.
I live at 40 km of a NATO Base.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I wonder if Russia and China will form an Eastern military alliance, the invite North Korea, Iran to join. How else can countries react to incessant NATO expansion. Russia fear nukes in Ukraine be they home grown or NATO.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I think the West is losing its mind now, I mean they talk about the need for diplomacy and calm voices and so on, yet like a herd of mindless sheep a vast number of UN delegates walk out? I mean these people are paid to do this, to works stuff out, to negotiate and resolve crises not walk out of such gatherings.

This conduct equates to "We don't give damn about Russia's concerns about NATO bases in Ukraine, we don't give a damn about Russia's concerns that NATO might one day base nuclear weapons in Ukraine, we don't give a damn about Russia's concerns that Ukraine could use their soviet-era technology to build nuclear weapons". That's precisely what this amounts to, shameful way to conduct themselves during a huge potentially catastrophic crisis.

[Purple Knight]

OK Bernie Sanders has spoken out, I agree completely with his assessment.

It wouldn't be anything new. The US had no business in WWII either and goaded Japan by cutting off their supplies of oil and scrap metal so they'd attack and the US would have a pretence to declare war.

This is a complicated issue and I'm not saying the US was wrong to fight the Nazis obviously, but there comes a point where a country works so hard making itself look the good guy that it looks the bad guy. To me this is just about every war the US has ever fought.

If NATO is really out to get Russia (and frankly it seems as though it is) then NATO is responsible for anything Russia does because Russia can't get a fair shake at the negotiation table.

[Sherlock Holmes]

OK Bernie Sanders has spoken out, I agree completely with his assessment.

It wouldn't be anything new. The US had no business in WWII either and goaded Japan by cutting off their supplies of oil and scrap metal so they'd attack and the US would have a pretence to declare war.

This is a complicated issue and I'm not saying the US was wrong to fight the Nazis obviously, but there comes a point where a country works so hard making itself look the good guy that it looks the bad guy. To me this is just about every war the US has ever fought.

If NATO is really out to get Russia (and frankly it seems as though it is) then NATO is responsible for anything Russia does because Russia can't get a fair shake at the negotiation table.

It is complicated and I think the press rely on that, as Chomsky once said having a population that is a "bewildered herd" really stifles dissent and he's right. The complexity and the general tendency of the press to make it look complex all the time, kind of leads to people never really understanding and then they don't really question what they're told. Its much easier to more or less adopt a propagandist simplified view, the condensed summary view so we can get on with our lives.

That view is that Putin is Hitler reincarnate, he wants to rebuild the old USSR and is a threat to world peace. Ukraine is a victim, struggling for democracy and self determination and needs NATO to protect it from the evil Russia. The West are benevolent and level headed, committed to principles of fairness, freedom, democracy and only grew NATO as a means of bringing security to its members. And for the most part this is the view espoused by CNN, CBS, BBC, NYT, The Guardian, The Times etc etc.

A busy person, not really into following international affairs or geopolitics cannot in any reasonable time, construct their own view so they rely on the manufactured one, this is why we see so many probably nice decent people all waving Ukraine flags, all protesting outside Russian embassies, all speaking out about the "war crimes" being perpetrated by Russia.

I've been following and reading about all this stuff for over twenty years, I saw it before in 1999 when NATO bombed Serbia.

Today Russia bombed a TV station and are dragged over the coals yet NATO bombed a TV station in Serbia and Serbia was dragged over the coals that TV station was a threat to NATO operations, had to be taken out, the one in Ukraine was an important means of communication for Ukrainians and represented a free press that Russia could not abide.

The Serbia station was (and I quote) "full of government employees, paid to produce propaganda", "its function is not to produce news and information..."

The people of Serbia and the people of Ukraine are alike, pawns in a game, in each case NATO was the cause of the problem, the West was pulling the puppet strings, it was true in 1999 and its true in 2022.