Gehenna - just a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem?

[Wootah]

Many here seem to believe Gehenna is just a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem and not a reference to hell.

Pulling an argument from this video (around the 16-minute mark):

Mark 9 vs 43-49 says: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 44 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. 45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Why does Jesus talk about entering into life and the rubbish tip outside Jerusalem in the same sentence? Do you really believe people thought hey let's follow Jesus so we don't go into the rubbish tip outside Jerusalem or do you think they knew Jesus meant hell?

Also since that rubbish tip's fire is quenched now and has been for a long time then doesn't that mean Jesus is a liar when he says that the fire there never shall be quenched?

[Wootah]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
I guess you're trying to say there are worms in hell too? Worms with eternal life it seems. What did they do to have such a torment? Exactly what animal other life is in hell?

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated? Why would the worm not die but they get annihilated? Please make it make sense.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #9]

Ah yes, it is a good idea to have a thread that has what Jesus said about Gehenna as its focus.

Thanks too for asking those questions. Some posters have already given some answers.

How would you, Wootah, answer those questions?

How do you show that what Jesus said about Gehenna supports "traditional doctrine on hell"?

My translation in my words: Is do not go to hell. It is bad and forever and your worm / your sin will be with you forever. People listening knew God was talking about eternal matters.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
I guess you're trying to say there are worms in hell too? Worms with eternal life it seems. What did they do to have such a torment? Exactly what animal other life is in hell?

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated?

Do you understand its a metaphor right? Wicked people dont literally all have worms.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
I guess you're trying to say there are worms in hell too? Worms with eternal life it seems. What did they do to have such a torment? Exactly what animal other life is in hell?

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated?

Do you understand its a metaphor right? Why would the worms be symbolic of some part of wicked people continuing to exist ? Literal worms are not a part of normal human bodies so why would they be symboloc if a part of a person continued existence?

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GEHENNA , BIBLE "HELL" and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

[Wootah]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
I guess you're trying to say there are worms in hell too? Worms with eternal life it seems. What did they do to have such a torment? Exactly what animal other life is in hell?

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated?

Do you understand its a metaphor right? Why would the worms be symbolic of some part of wicked people continuing to exist ? Literal worms are not a part of normal human bodies so why would they be symboloc if a part of a person continued existence?

To learn more please go to other posts related to...

GEHENNA , BIBLE "HELL" and ...HELLFIRE TORTURE DEBUNKED

Yes, so do you acknowledge that for your belief system eternal life is also a metaphor?

Mark 9 vs 43-49 says: And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell

Is 'enter into life' a metaphor?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

Yes, that is what you think.

It is not what God's Word says, however.

Worms in Scripture are not symbolic, but literal, including the words uttered by Jesus in the Gospels.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated? Why would the worm not die but they get annihilated? Please make it make sense.

There is no such problem. Your implication is self-made and simply illustrates that the real problem is yours.

That problem is a refusal, or an inability, to accept, and apply accordingly, what God actually says about the worm, and worms.

That is why your edit doesn't make sense to you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #16]
It has been established that "hell" and "Gehenna" are two different things, though many translations scrape them together into one pile. "Hell" is mankind's common GRAVE, and Gehenna was a garbage dump which Jesus compared to what was going to happen to the wicked---complete obliteration AS IF destroyed by fire.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #17]]]

Checkpoint wrote:

↑3. No, he was not a liar about the fire being unquenched. He was using the natural Gehenna fire to illustrate supernatural fire.

Supernatural fire? Okay what does "supernatural fire" do (scriptures please).

JW

The fire of God that cannot be quenched.

The eternal fire that Jesus mentioned in Matthew 25: 41.

Its RESULTS are eternal. The symbolic fire annihilates the wicked and they are gone forever, just like a body of a criminal was completely obliterated when thrown on the garbage dump which was Gehenna.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Wootah in post #1]
I guess you're trying to say there are worms in hell too? Worms with eternal life it seems. What did they do to have such a torment? Exactly what animal other life is in hell?

I think the worm is symbolic of their sin that they will live with forever, rather than being washed clean.

edit: BUT this is a problem for the annihilationist. 'where their worm dieth not' implies that some part of them is not annihilated? Why would the worm not die but they get annihilated? Please make it make sense.

How can a literal worm live in a literal fire?? There must be some symbolism here. The "worm" signifies the permanent obliteration of a wicked person, who, if an actual literal dead body, would be consumed by maggots.

[Wootah]

[Replying to Checkpoint in post #26]

So is Gehenna literal? Do you think Jesus is talking about a rubbish tip outside Jerusalem?