Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

[jimtatertayte]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?

Atheist read the words of God and it does not change them or give them any faith.

Many many people saw Jesus with their own eyes raise the dead and heal the lame, sick and blind
it did not give them any faith nor did it convert them. Many many people
walked and followed Jesus but turned back. Even His own 12 apostles had little faith,
for Jesus was always rebuking them for their lack of faith
and one of them betrayed Him.

So...Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

And where and how do you obtain your faith?

[jimtatertayte]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones."
There are undecided ones?
True or false?

Both of these are false and not the truth.

Now you go first and prove there are true.

I do not have to prove the Bible is right to you.
If you don't have faith in the Bible then I have nothing else to show you. In this forum the Bible is final authority as a reference. The purpose of this forum can be found here. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3168
I don't have to defend the Bible's authority to you. There are other forums for that, perhaps you'd be happier posting there?

I knew you would not be able to prove anything you have stated.
I have proven all I have stated.

If my Bible scriptures are not proof then yours are not proof either and nothing has been proven.

I would like to know though for your faith in the "indecisive ones" of James 4:8. Is it your choice to believe there are no indecisive ones?

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.
Are you asking me for my help to teach you the truth?

[The Tanager]

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

True. But I feel you think this entails something different than I do. I think God's spirit seeks every person, that all hear God's message, and that some choose to reject it. Those that accept God's message have faith measured out to them by God.

[jimtatertayte]

Romans 12:3
God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

Therefore any measure of faith anyone has of it
was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

True. But I feel you think this entails something different than I do. I think God's spirit seeks every person, that all hear God's message, and that some choose to reject it. Those that accept God's message have faith measured out to them by God.

Just as your thoughts are not God's thoughts,
neither are your thoughts my thoughts. Think as you like it is nothing to me.

[2timothy316]

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.

So the Bible, the Word of God is in error? The fact that you're calling anything in the Bible an error is problematic.

Are you asking me for my help to teach you the truth?

I'm not sure truth what you have if your believe Bible verses are in error and your proof of that error comes from the same source you're calling an error.

Can we fully trust the Bible? Or can we only trust what you say is to be trusted from it?

[2timothy316]

Just as your thoughts are not God's thoughts,
neither are your thoughts my thoughts.

"If the Bible is true, then I'm Christ" - David Koresh

I find both statements alarming.

[jimtatertayte]

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.

So the Bible, the Word of God is in error? The fact that you're calling anything in the Bible an error is problematic.

No, I said the verses you quoted me is with errors,
So that would make me saying that the verses in the bible you quoted to me
is in error, even if you believe it is the word of God.
And find it problematic.

[jimtatertayte]

Just as your thoughts are not God's thoughts,
neither are your thoughts my thoughts.

"If the Bible is true, then I'm Christ" - David Koresh

I find both statements alarming.

Then do not believe it why tell me?

[2timothy316]

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.

So the Bible, the Word of God is in error? The fact that you're calling anything in the Bible an error is problematic.

No, I said the verses you quoted me is with errors,
So that would make me saying that the verses in the bible you quoted to me
is in error, even if you believe it is the word of God.
And find it problematic.

I can fully trust the entire Bible to be true.
True or false?

[jimtatertayte]

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.

So the Bible, the Word of God is in error? The fact that you're calling anything in the Bible an error is problematic.

No, I said the verses you quoted me is with errors,
So that would make me saying that the verses in the bible you quoted to me
is in error, even if you believe it is the word of God.
And find it problematic.

I can fully trust the entire Bible to be true.
True or false?

Even if you wanted to fully trust the bible to be true you don't and will not for
you do not fully trust God with everything in your life.
So how can you trust a book to which is nothing but wood, an image made of wood?

I do not trust anything other than the Spirit of God.
It has never failed me has always worked for me.

[2timothy316]

I can prove the verses you gave me are with error.

So the Bible, the Word of God is in error? The fact that you're calling anything in the Bible an error is problematic.

No, I said the verses you quoted me is with errors,
So that would make me saying that the verses in the bible you quoted to me
is in error, even if you believe it is the word of God.
And find it problematic.

I can fully trust the entire Bible to be true.
True or false?

Even if you wanted to fully trust the bible to be true you don't and will not for
you do not fully trust God with everything in your life.
So how can you trust a book to which is nothing but wood, an image made of wood?

I do not trust anything other than the Spirit of God.
It has never failed me has always worked for me.

You didn't answer the question.

I can fully trust the entire Bible to be true.
True or false? Please.