Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

[jimtatertayte]

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How many times have you spoken the word of God to someone
and it did not give them any faith?

Atheist read the words of God and it does not change them or give them any faith.

Many many people saw Jesus with their own eyes raise the dead and heal the lame, sick and blind
it did not give them any faith nor did it convert them. Many many people
walked and followed Jesus but turned back. Even His own 12 apostles had little faith,
for Jesus was always rebuking them for their lack of faith
and one of them betrayed Him.

So...Who Started That Lie Faith Comes by Hearing the Word of God?

And where and how do you obtain your faith?

[jimtatertayte]

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

False

Prove it.

"Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you. Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones." - James 4:7, 8

If God was the one that made a person put faith in Him so as to be in subjection to Him there would be no reason the plea above. Nor would anyone be indecisive.

If all faith comes from the Spirit of faith,
then having no faith at all is you are dead.

Only them who have no faith are dead.
For faith without works is dead
so you are wrong and I am right.

And we all know that God is not the God of the dead but the living.

[2timothy316]

Therefore zero faith anyone has of it was measured out to them by the Spirit of God.
True or false?

False

Prove it.

"Therefore, subject yourselves to God; but oppose the Devil, and he will flee from you. Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones." - James 4:7, 8

If God was the one that made a person put faith in Him so as to be in subjection to Him there would be no reason the plea above. Nor would anyone be indecisive.

If all faith comes from the Spirit of faith,
then having no faith at all is you are dead.

Only them who have no faith are dead.
For faith without works is dead
so you are wrong and I am right.

"Nevertheless, someone will say: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” You believe that there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder." James 2:18, 19

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists. They have show their faith by their actions. Otherwise, James 2:26 says, "faith without works is dead." Belief alone is not faith.

[jimtatertayte]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

[2timothy316]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

[jimtatertayte]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

[2timothy316]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones." - James 4:8
There are undecided ones.
True or false?

[jimtatertayte]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones."
There are undecided ones?
True or false?

Both of these are false and not the truth.

Now you go first and prove there are true.

[2timothy316]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones."
There are undecided ones?
True or false?

Both of these are false and not the truth.

Now you go first and prove there are true.

I do not have to prove the Bible is right to you.
If you don't have faith in the Bible then I have nothing else to show you. In this forum the Bible is final authority as a reference. The purpose of this forum can be found here. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3168
I don't have to defend the Bible's authority to you. There are other forums for that, perhaps you'd be happier posting there?

[jimtatertayte]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones."
There are undecided ones?
True or false?

Both of these are false and not the truth.

Now you go first and prove there are true.

I do not have to prove the Bible is right to you.
If you don't have faith in the Bible then I have nothing else to show you. In this forum the Bible is final authority as a reference. The purpose of this forum can be found here. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3168
I don't have to defend the Bible's authority to you. There are other forums for that, perhaps you'd be happier posting there?

I knew you would not be able to prove anything you have stated.
I have proven all I have stated.

[2timothy316]

According to the Bible one can't simply have faith or believe the Almighty Exists.

Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee;
and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee,
and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Luke 1:15
For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord,
and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink;
and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost,
even from his mother's womb.

I don't see the connection you're trying to make to James chapter 2.

I am not blind, therefore I cannot lead you.
For if the blind lead the blind shall they not both fall into the ditch?

“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Heb 11:1)
True or false?

"Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you indecisive ones."
There are undecided ones?
True or false?

Both of these are false and not the truth.

Now you go first and prove there are true.

I do not have to prove the Bible is right to you.
If you don't have faith in the Bible then I have nothing else to show you. In this forum the Bible is final authority as a reference. The purpose of this forum can be found here. viewtopic.php?f=38&t=3168
I don't have to defend the Bible's authority to you. There are other forums for that, perhaps you'd be happier posting there?

I knew you would not be able to prove anything you have stated.
I have proven all I have stated.

If my Bible scriptures are not proof then yours are not proof either and nothing has been proven.

I would like to know though for your faith in the "indecisive ones" of James 4:8. Is it your choice to believe there are no indecisive ones?