myth-one.com wrote:[
First Question: Why are they raised to everlasting life if they were born with everlasting life?
I said people are born with a eternal soul.
Angels were created eternal spiritual beings correct?
1/3 joined Satan in rebelion correct?
Here is were me and you are having problelms.
I think you would agree that when the angels were created they were born of the SPIRIT of GOD corrcect?
What happened to the 1/3 that became demons?
Scripture does not say exactly, but it does say that these demons will go to eternal prison(lake of fire)
I would suggest to you that when these angels became demons they were somehow changed in the meaning of GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT no longer resides with their souls.
So we have angels who have lost the SPIRIT of GOD yet will live for all eternity in the lake of fire.
Now humans we have being born with a eternal soul covered in flesh.
We have some humans who will have their soul reborn by the HOLY SPIRIT and when this flesh body dies, they will be given a spiritual body at the ressurection and be like the angels.
Now others will not be reborn of GOD and when their flesh body dies they will get a body in the ressurection and become like the demons and spend eternity with them.
We have the angels who have always been born of the SPIRIT of GOD and always been true to GOD.
We Have humans who recieve the SPIRIT of GOD and become like the angels and be true to GOD always.
We have angels that became demons and lost the SPIRIT of GOD
we Have humans who will never reciece the SPIRIT of GOD and become like the demons and spend eternity in the lake of fire.
Second Question: Why would anyone with an everlasting spiritual body want, desire, or need a physical body with its associated pain, hunger, thirst, etc?
It is apperent from scripture that you can take on physical form thats all.
CHRIST came back after the resurrection physical form, A few times in the OT angels came to earth in physical form.
Third question: With their new physical bodies they cannot stay in heaven
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With their new spiritual bodies they can appear in physical form or spiritual from just like the angels can.
And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)
The fact is that you are wrong. It is the non-believers who will be resurrected at the second resurrection with physical bodies.
That is the bodily resurrection.[/
Eternal spiritual bodies,
Those to everlasting life with GOD
Those to everlasting separation from GOD(which is death eternal)
GOD is life eternal and the giver of it.
To be separated from GOD is death eternal.
Every last word CHRIST said was for your soul, His words feed your soul and SPIRIT gives life to yours.
John 6:63 (New King James Version)
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life
There is not one word in this passage for the flesh because it is nothing but a short term housing for your sou.
Look at the very begining CHRIST says do not labour for food which perishes(the body, the flesh) but for which is eternal.
verse 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and
I will raise him up at the last day.�
You see and believe in CHRIST here and now(reborn)Everlasting life starts now for those who believe and have their soul reborn.
Then ressurection of the body later.
Now read all this using CHRIST'S interpretation given in verse 63.
The flesh is nothing, a carcass.
John 6
26 Jesus answered them and said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw the signs, but because you ate of the loaves and were filled. 27
Do not labor for the food which perishes, but for the food which endures to everlasting life, which the Son of Man will give you, because God the Father has set His seal on Him.�
28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?�
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.�
30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’�[d]
32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, b
ut My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.�
34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.�
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And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.�
Rejected by His Own
41 The Jews then complained about Him, because He said, “I am the bread which came down from heaven.� 42 And they said, “Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? How is it then that He says, ‘I have come down from heaven’?�
43 Jesus therefore answered and said to them, “Do not murmur among yourselves. 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’[e]Therefore everyone who has heard and learned[f] from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father.
47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me[g] has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life.
49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die.
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.�
52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?�
53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed,[h] and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.�
59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum.
Many Disciples Turn Away
60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?�
61 When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.
� For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 65 And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.�
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. 67 Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?�
68 But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.�
70 Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?� 71 He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve.
How can your body eat the flesh and drink the blood of CHRIST?
Only your soul can recieve the blood and flesh of CHRIST because that is HIS SPIRIT and HIS word which gives life to your spirit and soul.
