myth-one.com wrote:Drs wrote:o their theologies for nearly two thousand years!
Drs wrote:First things first man is born with a soul.
In the Old Testament, the scriptures inspired by God used the Hebrew word "nephesh" when referring to both man and other animals. In their effort to improve on the inspired words of God, the King James translators decided to change this one word into multiple words, thus distinguishing between man and animals by assigning immortality to man. If two words were required to differentiate between man and the other animals, God would have used two words!
Some words have multiple meanings depending on the context they are being used in., but lets take a closer look.
Here we have in the same sentence body and soul
Micah 6:7 (New King James Version)
7 Will the LORD be pleased with thousands of rams,
Ten thousand rivers of oil?
Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression,
The fruit of my
body for the sin of my
soul?
nephesh - soul
1) soul, self, life, creature, person, appetite, mind, living being, desire, emotion, passion
a) that which breathes, the breathing substance or being, soul, the inner being of man
b) living being
c) living being (with life in the blood)
d) the man himself, self, person or individual
e) seat of the appetites
f) seat of emotions and passions
g) activity of mind
1) dubious
h) activity of the will
1) dubious
i) activity of the character
1) dubious
beten - body
1) belly, womb, body
a) belly, abdomen
1) as seat of hunger
2) as seat of mental faculties
3) of depth of Sheol (fig.)
b) womb
num 19:16
And whosoever toucheth 5060 one that is slain 2491 with a sword 2719 in the open 6440 fields 7704, or a dead body 4191
muwth - dead body
1) to die, kill, have one executed
a) (Qal)
1) to die
2) to die (as penalty), be put to death
3) to die, perish (of a nation)
4) to die prematurely (by neglect of wise moral conduct)
b) (Polel) to kill, put to death, dispatch
c) (Hiphil) to kill, put to death
d) (Hophal)
1) to be killed, be put to death
a) to die prematurely
Det 21:23
His body 5038 shall not remain all night
nĕbelah - body
1) carcass, corpse
a) of humans, idols, animals
1Sa 31:12
gĕviyah - body
and took 3947 the body 1472 of Saul 7586
1) a body (of living creatures)
2) a corpse, carcass, dead body
So we can see there are lots of examples and different words to show the difference between body and soul.
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In the NT the meaning is quite clear.
Matthew 10:28 (New King James Version)
28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both
soul and
body in hell.
2 words soul and body
psychē - soul
1) breath
a) the breath of life
1) the vital force which animates the body and shows itself in breathing
a) of animals
b) of men
b) life
c) that in which there is life
1) a living being, a living soul
2) the soul
a) the seat of the feelings, desires, affections, aversions (our heart, soul etc.)
b) the (human) soul in so far as it is constituted that by the right use of the aids offered it by God it can attain its highest end and secure eternal blessedness, the soul regarded as a moral being designed for everlasting life
c) the soul as an essence which differs from the body and is not dissolved by death (distinguished from other parts of the body)
s�ma - body
1) the body both of men or animals
a) a dead body or corpse
b) the living body
1) of animals
2) the bodies of planets and of stars (heavenly bodies)
3) is used of a (large or small) number of men closely united into one society, or family as it were; a social, ethical, mystical body
a) so in the NT of the church
4) that which casts a shadow as distinguished from the shadow itself
Last post I asked you, How did Elija go to heaven without dying?
If Elijah went to heaven, then Jesus lied when He made the following statement
And no man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. (John 3:13)
If Jesus lied, you have no Savior because He sinned!! So Drs, did Elijah go to heaven in a whirlwind or did he go up into the heavens to another place on the earth in a whirlwind?
I would guess that He went were Abraham, Moses and the others went, CHRIST called it Abrahams bossom in the Gospel.
From begining to end of the OT to the NT the bible speaks of the soul
Here's an example:
...the soul that sinneth, it shall die. (Ezekiel 18:4)
Drs wrote:It is your soul that is reborn not your body.
I thought you said the soul was immortal? If it is immortal, then it can never die. If it can never die, there is never any requirement to be reborn!
Ofcourse you need your soul to be reborn by the HOLY SPIRIT otherwise you are going to eternal hell with all the demons and the rest that will be separated from GOD for all time.
If there is no eternal soul, How did CHRIST go preach to all these souls/spirits in prison?
He didn't as a man, He did that as a spirit:
Right His eternal Spirit/Soul went and preached to the other souls that are facing eternal hell unless they repent and are reborn with the SPIRIT of GOD
Here is another example of 2 souls/spirits who have not yet seen the resurrection coming to talk to CHRIST.
Matthew 17
3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
How are these alive and speaking to CHRIST if the ressurection has not happened yet?
Look it would be imposible unless they had a ETERNAL SOUL/SPIRIT
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison, (I Peter 3:18-19)
These verses you quoted indicated what penalty Jesus paid for our sins: "being put to death in the flesh." He did not have to burn in hell eternally, He simply died. Note that He went to preach to the spirits in prison
as a spirit!
If you can accept all this then you may be able to accept that spiritual seperation from GOD for all time is death everlasting.
Now that's comical! For anyone with an "immortal soul," there is no concept of death -- not for one second. That's the definition of immortal -- everlasting life. So you say one can have everlasting life and everlasting death simultaneously?
Those who have their soul reborn by the HOLY SPIRIT have everlasting life now and forever.
Those who do not have their soul reborn are seperated from GOD for all time equal to the demons that are separated from GOD for all time.
I know this is not going to help you to much but I am not qualified to say what it took for CHRIST to bore the sins of Humanity for all who will believe in Him.
I don't think anyone can realy anwser what it was like for CHRIST who is GOD to be seperated fron The FATHER who is GOD on the cross, it is beyond our understanding.
All I can say is He overcame death He overcame the power of hell and He is my LORD and He is AWESOME.
Here is a qoute from MacArthur
Question
Did God die on the cross, or just the humanness of Christ die, and if no, then what was the purpose of the incarnation?
Answer
Did God die on the cross? For a moment, we have to say yes.
Because Jesus died on the cross and Jesus was God. And, death, basically, means what? Separation from God.
Was Jesus separated from God? ‘My God, My God, why hast thou what? Forsaken me?’ He was separated from God. He died. And, the Bible says He died, over and over, and over, and over, and over, doesn’t it? He died. He died. He died, and He was Jesus Christ. You cannot separate Jesus Christ’s humanness from His deity. You cannot cut Him up. He was Jesus Christ, the God-man and He died. So, yes, God died on the cross.
Now, how you separate one member of the trinity from the rest, I don't know, but I do not really worry about it because if God expected me to know it, He would have told me, or given me the ability to think it through, and I haven't.
All I know is, He did die on the cross. He was separated from the Father, and, yet, one with the Father, and I don't understand that, and I am not going to be worried about not understanding it. It is not God’s problem. It is mine. I just do not have what it takes.
Question continues
But, it is important to know that God did die on the cross, right?
Answer
Well, of course. Otherwise, all you’ve got is a human sacrifice, a human martyr up there. The weight of sin of all the sins, of all the world killed Jesus Christ.
