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Jesus is not an angel- hebrews 1

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5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,

“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father”?
The whole of hebrews 1 makes it clear Jesus is not an angel.

Anyone disagree?
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.

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Re: Jesus is not an angel- hebrews 1

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 8:44 am [Replying to Wootah in post #1]

Do you agree, as most people do, that Jesus was in the cloud and the column of fire that brought the Israelites out of Egypt? At Exodus 14:19 it says that "the angel of the true God who was going ahead of the camp of Israel departed and went to the rear and the pillar of cloud departed from their van and stood in the rear of them."
How does that answer hebrews 1?
It shows that Jesus is an angel. The archangel, in fact. How does Hebrews 1 conform to that? I think it refers to all the other angels, other than the higher angel--the archangel. (There is only one archangel mentioned in the Bible.)
Do the Bible says that Jacob (Israel) sinned when he prayed to an angel he addressed as God in verse 15?

Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day,
Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
I don't see where Jacob prayed to an angel. Please explain.
Verse 15 he talked to God, adore of what God had done to him, if you pray does it mean you don't talk to God?
Verse 16 he mentioned the Angel that redeemed him from all evil, who do you think your Redeemer is?
Do the Bible says Jacob sinned when he consider his redeemer is the Angel?
If Jacob talked to God he was not praying to an angel. Jehovah is the "hearer of prayer," so when a faithful person prays, he is praying to Jehovah Himself.

And I have been saying that Jesus has represented Jehovah many times in the history of the ancients. So my Redeemer, Jesus, is an angel. He is the Archangel--the foremost of the angels.
In verse 6 that Jacob said to an Angel as the one that redeemed him from all evil, do he sinned calling the Angel as Redeemer?
Is it the Redeemer Angel defeat Satan and his angels? (Rev 12:7-9)
The angel was representing Jehovah. When Jacob spoke, it was as if he was speaking to Jehovah.
The Redeemer angel---the Archangel---did defeat Satan and his angels. His name in heaven is Michael. Who else deserves the position that Michael holds at Daniel 12:1,2 than Jesus himself?
Yes, you just accept that Jesus is your Redeemer, the Archangel where Jacob called God in verse 15.

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