In the Beginning

[placebofactor]

In the Beginning
I am taking a new approach by treating the following like an unfolding story. It concerns “The fall of Lucifer and the creation of a new world we call Earth.” If you have other ideas, post them, then support them with scripture. Let’s not argue; we can discuss these matters with reason and common sense. I believe it can be very enlightening.

What was it like before time began? Who can explain or describe the great “I Am,” the Father of all, who is all in all and from everlasting to everlasting? Both John and Paul had a glimpse of this invisible world. Paul said he could not find the words to describe it. The invisible kingdom of God is a place without time, sickness, or death. A myriad of spirits serve their Creator. At his right stands the Father’s only Begotten Son “who is in the brightness of his Father’s glory, and the express image of his person, and who upholds all things by the word of his power.”  

Also, an innumerable number serve the Father. They are incorporeal creatures of every form, real beings of a higher power, perfection, and dignity. Creatures that possess great intelligence; are first in rank, in dignity, and fulfill their offices as they serve their Creator and declare His will. There are nine orders and an innumerable number of them. There are Seraphim, Cherubim, thrones and dominions; virtues, powers, principalities, archangels; and the angels or messengers of God. They excel in strength, are immortal, and act as agents through which God accomplishes His purposes. “They neither marry nor are they given in marriage.”

But there was one, a Cherubim who became filled with pride and jealousy, his name, Lucifer the bearer of light. His anger and jealousy were directed at the Son of God, he, who sat at the Father’s right hand. He said in his heart, “I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation. I will ascend above the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

And the LORD God knew his thoughts and said, “How art thou fallen for heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!” So, a heavenly council was held when the Father declared, “Lucifer can no longer remain with us, for he has sinned against me.”

“And where shall we send him.”

“I will send my beloved Son to create a new world of substance and matter; we shall call it Earth. And we will fill it with creatures of every shape and size, creatures of the water, air, and land, creatures who can walk, swim, fly, and communicate. But there shall be one creature made in my Son’s image and his likeness; we will call him man. The man will be made of the dust of the ground, and my Son shall breathe the breath of life into him, and he shall become a living soul.

The Father turned to his Son and said, “I will send you; I will give you the invisible things, the building blocks of life, things that can be understood only by the things you speak into being, even my eternal power and godly nature will I give you.”  

He turned to his Holy Spirit and said, “I will give you the power to form my Son’s words into the visible things of the earth,” and so it was. And somewhere in God’s infinite universe, the Lord Jesus Christ spoke his first words, “Let there be” and so the heaven and earth were created by the Word and Wisdom of God.” Also, from his words, were the sun, moon, and stars of heaven made. “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” And “by his Spirit, he hath garnished the heavens.”

And so, Lucifer was cast down from heaven to an earth covered with water. There, he was to be called by many names, Serpent, Leviathan, the king over the children of pride, the Devil, Satan, the son of perdition. And the host that followed after, those who kept not their first estate but left their habitation, were cast down to earth.

And it was written, “Darkness was upon the face of the deep.” It was a darkness of gross ignorance, a low, base, and vile thing that now inhabited the depths of the oceans, a place known to us as the region of the dead, the darkness of hell as the ancient Rabbis described it. Then the Father “Commanded the light, the Shekinah Glory of his only begotten Son to shine out of darkness.” “The Sun of Righteousness,” he who is in the spiritual, what the natural light is to the natural world.”

[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]

The son of peredition( 2Thess 2:3) = the religion that came out of Rome and screwed it all up.= the great apostasy.
Satan wasn't cast to the earth until here-Rev 6:2, here in these last days. The ride of the white horse= righteous war= the war in heaven--He receives his crown= the birth of Gods kingdom in heaven-- both events explained at Rev 12.

[placebofactor]

]Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I do not understand the relevance of this scripture, Please explain how this proves "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 refered to the first creative "day" rather than the beginning of God's physical creative works?

How can I prove to you that to which you do not understand?
What would be the procedure?

Okay, thanks for sharing. Have an excellent day,

The following is so easy to understand, anyone who reads it for the first or for the 50th time should understand.

Genesis 1:1, In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth. What did he do next?

Verse 2, He goes on to describe the condition of the earth and the depth of the oceans. They were "Void, without form etc." Then what does he do?

Verse 3 He calls in the Light of the world, "Let there be light." What does he do next?

Verse 4, He gives names to the Day and the Night. And when he finishes naming the Day and Night he said, All the above was accomplished on the first day.

If you don't understand the simplicity of the above, that would be a puzzler!

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[JehovahsWitness]

The following is so easy to understand ...

Your input has been duly noted. Have a great and very wonderful day.

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[placebofactor]

Jesus prepared before the creation.
1 Peter 1:19-20, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

Redemption was not an afterthought, for Lucifer's evil thoughts were known to God. The Greek "foreordained," means "to know already, to foreknow, to foresee."

In preparation for dealing with Lucifer, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, were about to put into action their plan of justice, and salvation. A plan for a future creation that would produce a result that would expose the true nature of Lucifer. This was the beginning of the end for Lucifer and those who followed him.

1 Peter 1:19-20, leads us to understand that in this spiritual Kingdom, Lucifer had already fallen from Father’s grace. For this reason, his Son was anointed, and established as the Creator, King, Priest, Prophet, Savior, Lamb, etc. before the foundation of the heavens and earth were laid.

Lucifer would be allowed to run his full course, so a specified period would be allowed to show his terror, lies, and deception. He was to be exposed to the angelic world for who he was. Some say that period is represented by 1000 years for each day of creation, plus 30 years of God’s peace and goodwill, from Christ’s birth to his baptism.

After this period of six thousand and thirty years, the Son of God shall come in all His power and glory, to judge the fallen. All this was ordered by the councils of God before the foundation of the Earth was set. Satan's reward will be the lake of fire, where there will be "wailing, and gnashing of teeth."

[onewithhim]

Jesus prepared before the creation.
1 Peter 1:19-20, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

"The foundation of the world" is not the creation of the planet. It refers to the world of mankind alienated from God which began after Adam disobeyed God. It is the same world that John speaks of. He wrote: "Do not be loving the world or things in the world....the world is passing away...but he that does the will of God remains forever." (I John 2:15,17) That is the "world" to which Peter was referring. Immediately after Adam sinned and plunged his descendants into sin and death, God devised a plan to present Christ as the lamb to take away the sin of the world. If Adam had not sinned there would have been no reason for Jesus to come here and die. It certainly wasn't something that God planned at the beginning of creation.

[placebofactor]

Jesus prepared before the creation.
1 Peter 1:19-20, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

"The foundation of the world" is not the creation of the planet. It refers to the world of mankind alienated from God which began after Adam disobeyed God. It is the same world that John speaks of. He wrote: "Do not be loving the world or things in the world....the world is passing away...but he that does the will of God remains forever." (I John 2:15,17) That is the "world" to which Peter was referring. Immediately after Adam sinned and plunged his descendants into sin and death, God devised a plan to present Christ as the lamb to take away the sin of the world. If Adam had not sinned there would have been no reason for Jesus to come here and die. It certainly wasn't something that God planned at the beginning of creation.

Foundation, "In the New Testament only, the phrase "foundation of the world" as in the creation, beginning of the world, Matthew 13:35, "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

Matthew 25:34, "Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

Luke 11:50, "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation."

Hebrews 4:3, "Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world."

In 1 John 2:15, the word "World" is used in the Jewish mode of speaking about the present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ: therefore, always with the idea of transientness (short duration), worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares temptations, irregular desires, etc.

Now unless you're Daniel Webster, that is the meaning of these words.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #16]

J.W., I respect your opinion.

I forgot to mention, if you are a practicing Witness, you should know they teach that each day of creation represents 1000 years, so according to them, the Earth is about 12,000 years old.

Nope. I don't know where you get your information but it is incorrect.
Here is what practicing JWs believe about the creation of the Earth.
https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines ... /creation/
No where does it say in that article that JWs believe that each day of creation represents 1000 years.
JW have a website that you can search before you attept to explain what JWs believe.

[onewithhim]

Jesus prepared before the creation.
1 Peter 1:19-20, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

"The foundation of the world" is not the creation of the planet. It refers to the world of mankind alienated from God which began after Adam disobeyed God. It is the same world that John speaks of. He wrote: "Do not be loving the world or things in the world....the world is passing away...but he that does the will of God remains forever." (I John 2:15,17) That is the "world" to which Peter was referring. Immediately after Adam sinned and plunged his descendants into sin and death, God devised a plan to present Christ as the lamb to take away the sin of the world. If Adam had not sinned there would have been no reason for Jesus to come here and die. It certainly wasn't something that God planned at the beginning of creation.

Foundation, "In the New Testament only, the phrase "foundation of the world" as in the creation, beginning of the world, Matthew 13:35, "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

Matthew 25:34, "Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

Luke 11:50, "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation."

Hebrews 4:3, "Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world."

In 1 John 2:15, the word "World" is used in the Jewish mode of speaking about the present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ: therefore, always with the idea of transientness (short duration), worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares temptations, irregular desires, etc.

Now unless you're Daniel Webster, that is the meaning of these words.

The "world" is the society of men alienated from God, that came into existence AFTER Adam sinned. The "world" is the same as at I John 2:15-17. It is not the creation but what the world was like after the Fall. (Go back and see what you wrote in your last paragraph: "In I John 2:15, the 'world' is used in the Jewish mode of speaking about the present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the Kingdom of Christ: therefore, always with the idea of transientness (short duration), worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares, temptations, irregular desires, etc." You wrote it, and my goodness, that's what I've been saying! It doesn't mean the planet before it was created.)

[Capbook]

Jesus prepared before the creation.
1 Peter 1:19-20, "But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you."

"The foundation of the world" is not the creation of the planet. It refers to the world of mankind alienated from God which began after Adam disobeyed God. It is the same world that John speaks of. He wrote: "Do not be loving the world or things in the world....the world is passing away...but he that does the will of God remains forever." (I John 2:15,17) That is the "world" to which Peter was referring. Immediately after Adam sinned and plunged his descendants into sin and death, God devised a plan to present Christ as the lamb to take away the sin of the world. If Adam had not sinned there would have been no reason for Jesus to come here and die. It certainly wasn't something that God planned at the beginning of creation.

Foundation, "In the New Testament only, the phrase "foundation of the world" as in the creation, beginning of the world, Matthew 13:35, "I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world."

Matthew 25:34, "Inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world."

Luke 11:50, "That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation."

Hebrews 4:3, "Although the works were finished from the foundation of the world."

Ephesians 1:4, "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world."

In 1 John 2:15, the word "World" is used in the Jewish mode of speaking about the present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the kingdom of Christ: therefore, always with the idea of transientness (short duration), worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares temptations, irregular desires, etc.

Now unless you're Daniel Webster, that is the meaning of these words.

The "world" is the society of men alienated from God, that came into existence AFTER Adam sinned. The "world" is the same as at I John 2:15-17. It is not the creation but what the world was like after the Fall. (Go back and see what you wrote in your last paragraph: "In I John 2:15, the 'world' is used in the Jewish mode of speaking about the present world, the present order of things, as opposed to the Kingdom of Christ: therefore, always with the idea of transientness (short duration), worthlessness, and evil both physical and moral, the seat of cares, temptations, irregular desires, etc." You wrote it, and my goodness, that's what I've been saying! It doesn't mean the planet before it was created.)

Strong have one definition of "earth"in Hebrew "erets" in Genesis 1:1 as "world."
And Bible lexicon have many definition of, "of the world" in Greek "cosmos" in 1 Pet 1:20 same with John 3:16, as circle of the earth, earth, the ungodly multitude and others.
Interpretation through context might able to help us applies the correct application of the definition.

אֶרֶץ 'erets
eh'-rets
From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world.

κόσμος kosmos
Thayer Definition:
1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government
2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, ‘the heavenly hosts’, as the ornament of the heavens. 1Pe 3:3
3) the world, the universe
4) the circle of the earth, the earth
5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family
6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ
7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly
7a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ
8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort
8a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom 11:12 etc)
8b) of believers only, Jhn 1:29; Jhn 3:16-17; Jhn 6:33; Jhn 12:47 1Co 4:9; 2Co 5:19

[JehovahsWitness]

1 PETER 1:20,

".... the foundation of the world

DOES 1 PETER 1:20 REFER TO THE PLANET OR THE PEOPLE?

The Greek word translated as "world" in most English bibles in the above expression is kosmos; while this can refer to the planet earth, it is often used in the Christian Greek scriptures to refer to the people (the human family) (compare John 3:16).

With reference to Christ's being foreordained, 1 Peter 1 verse 20 refers to the "foundation" (from the Greek KARABOLE) of the above. KARABOLE is defined as ...


source: https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicon ... %20animals




source: https://www.htmlbible.com/sacrednamebib ... .htm#S2602


CONCLUSION : Rather than refering to to construction of the planet earth or the universe, Peter is referring to the conception or start of human society.