In the Beginning

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In the Beginning
I am taking a new approach by treating the following like an unfolding story. It concerns “The fall of Lucifer and the creation of a new world we call Earth.” If you have other ideas, post them, then support them with scripture. Let’s not argue; we can discuss these matters with reason and common sense. I believe it can be very enlightening.

What was it like before time began? Who can explain or describe the great “I Am,” the Father of all, who is all in all and from everlasting to everlasting? Both John and Paul had a glimpse of this invisible world. Paul said he could not find the words to describe it. The invisible kingdom of God is a place without time, sickness, or death. A myriad of spirits serve their Creator. At his right stands the Father’s only Begotten Son “who is in the brightness of his Father’s glory, and the express image of his person, and who upholds all things by the word of his power.”  

Also, an innumerable number serve the Father. They are incorporeal creatures of every form, real beings of a higher power, perfection, and dignity. Creatures that possess great intelligence; are first in rank, in dignity, and fulfill their offices as they serve their Creator and declare His will. There are nine orders and an innumerable number of them. There are Seraphim, Cherubim, thrones and dominions; virtues, powers, principalities, archangels; and the angels or messengers of God. They excel in strength, are immortal, and act as agents through which God accomplishes His purposes. “They neither marry nor are they given in marriage.”

But there was one, a Cherubim who became filled with pride and jealousy, his name, Lucifer the bearer of light. His anger and jealousy were directed at the Son of God, he, who sat at the Father’s right hand. He said in his heart, “I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation. I will ascend above the clouds; I will be like the most High.”

And the LORD God knew his thoughts and said, “How art thou fallen for heaven O Lucifer, son of the morning!” So, a heavenly council was held when the Father declared, “Lucifer can no longer remain with us, for he has sinned against me.”

“And where shall we send him.”

“I will send my beloved Son to create a new world of substance and matter; we shall call it Earth. And we will fill it with creatures of every shape and size, creatures of the water, air, and land, creatures who can walk, swim, fly, and communicate. But there shall be one creature made in my Son’s image and his likeness; we will call him man. The man will be made of the dust of the ground, and my Son shall breathe the breath of life into him, and he shall become a living soul.

The Father turned to his Son and said, “I will send you; I will give you the invisible things, the building blocks of life, things that can be understood only by the things you speak into being, even my eternal power and godly nature will I give you.”  

He turned to his Holy Spirit and said, “I will give you the power to form my Son’s words into the visible things of the earth,” and so it was. And somewhere in God’s infinite universe, the Lord Jesus Christ spoke his first words, “Let there be” and so the heaven and earth were created by the Word and Wisdom of God.” Also, from his words, were the sun, moon, and stars of heaven made. “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.” And “by his Spirit, he hath garnished the heavens.”

And so, Lucifer was cast down from heaven to an earth covered with water. There, he was to be called by many names, Serpent, Leviathan, the king over the children of pride, the Devil, Satan, the son of perdition. And the host that followed after, those who kept not their first estate but left their habitation, were cast down to earth.

And it was written, “Darkness was upon the face of the deep.” It was a darkness of gross ignorance, a low, base, and vile thing that now inhabited the depths of the oceans, a place known to us as the region of the dead, the darkness of hell as the ancient Rabbis described it. Then the Father “Commanded the light, the Shekinah Glory of his only begotten Son to shine out of darkness.” “The Sun of Righteousness,” he who is in the spiritual, what the natural light is to the natural world.”

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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #10]

Jehovahwitness wrote, "There is no statement in the bible that God created the earth in the first "day".

Hmmmm! "In the beginning of what? Of course! It's the beginning of the first day!!!!!!!!!

[JehovahsWitness]

"In the beginning of what?

This question has been addressed in post #13

...Of course! It's the beginning of the first day!!!!!!!!!

Your comment is circular. I see no scriptural or contextual counterargument to the points raised in post #13



JW


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If we knew the number of years Adam lived in the Garden of Eden before he sinned and then cast out, we would then add 6028 years to that number. According to the word of God, that would be the age of the Earth. It appears you have fallen for this scientific bull of billions of years, that to bad!

There is no statement in the bible that God created the earth in the first "day".

"In the beginning>" In the beginning of What? "In the beginning of the first day." Why are you making the simplicity of the verse so complicated?



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

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[JehovahsWitness]

1. Disprove with Scripture what I posted below...

WHAT IN THE BIBLE TEXT INDICATES THAT THE CREATION OF THE STARS AND PLANETS PRECEDED THE FIRST CREATIVE DAY?

The writer consistently bookmarks each creative "day" with the same a divine declaration ... "And/then God said..." (at the start) and a statement of closure at the end "there was evening there was morning : a [1st/2nd ect ...]day".

That being the case , Genesis 1:1 stands alone, outside of this pattern, indicating it was not part if the process that began on the first day.

"In the beginning>" In the beginning of What? "In the beginning of the first day." ...

2. Prove with Scripture what you just said .

[slowrider]

1. Disprove with Scripture what I posted below...

WHAT IN THE BIBLE TEXT INDICATES THAT THE CREATION OF THE STARS AND PLANETS PRECEDED THE FIRST CREATIVE DAY?

The writer consistently bookmarks each creative "day" with the same a divine declaration ... "And/then God said..." (at the start) and a statement of closure at the end "there was evening there was morning : a [1st/2nd ect ...]day".

That being the case , Genesis 1:1 stands alone, outside of this pattern, indicating it was not part if the process that began on the first day.

"In the beginning>" In the beginning of What? "In the beginning of the first day." ...

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

2. Prove with Scripture what you just said .

[JehovahsWitness]

]Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I do not understand the relevance of this scripture, Please explain how this proves "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 refered to the first creative "day" rather than the beginning of God's physical creative works?

[slowrider]

]Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I do not understand the relevance of this scripture, Please explain how this proves "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 refered to the first creative "day" rather than the beginning of God's physical creative works?

How can I prove to you that to which you do not understand?
What would be the procedure?

[JehovahsWitness]

]Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I do not understand the relevance of this scripture, Please explain how this proves "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 refered to the first creative "day" rather than the beginning of God's physical creative works?

How can I prove to you that to which you do not understand?
What would be the procedure?

Okay thanks for sharing. Have an excellent day,



JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

[slowrider]

]Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord,
which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I do not understand the relevance of this scripture, Please explain how this proves "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 refered to the first creative "day" rather than the beginning of God's physical creative works?

How can I prove to you that to which you do not understand?
What would be the procedure?

Okay thanks for sharing. Have an excellent day,

Everyday with God is an excellent day.

[placebofactor]

1. Disprove with Scripture what I posted below...

WHAT IN THE BIBLE TEXT INDICATES THAT THE CREATION OF THE STARS AND PLANETS PRECEDED THE FIRST CREATIVE DAY?

The writer consistently bookmarks each creative "day" with the same a divine declaration ... "And/then God said..." (at the start) and a statement of closure at the end "there was evening there was morning : a [1st/2nd ect ...]day".

That being the case , Genesis 1:1 stands alone, outside of this pattern, indicating it was not part if the process that began on the first day.

"In the beginning>" In the beginning of What? "In the beginning of the first day." ...

2. Prove with Scripture what you just said .

Verse 1 to verse 5 of Genesis 1, are all the events linked to the 1st day of creation. Verses 6 to 13 are connected to the second day, and so on. After the creation of the heaven, and earth, Moses then describes the condition of the heavens and the earth, dark, without form, and void Then the LORD calls out names to the light, and to darkness.

Also notice, that the Hebrew used for Day and Night in verse 5 are written in upper case in the K.J.B, and N.W.T. Concerning the literal day and night on the fourth day, both day and night are written in lower case. Believers are to be followers of the light, or children of the Day, the fallen will be known as followers of the serpent, or the children of the Night, or Darkness. Details, details, details!

Don't complicate things, these things were written for the average man to understand.