Born Again?

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Born Again?

Going to church for 1 week or 50 years doesn't make anybody a Christian. YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN from above. They may be sincere in thinking they were once Christians, but if they didn't have the born-again experience and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit to the degree that they knew it was real, then I don't believe they were ever real Christians.

Is ER speaking for Christians generally, or is this a reflection of the beliefs of some sects or individuals?

In Christianity, born again means rebirth — namely, spiritual birth into the family of God with Jesus Christ as personal Lord and savior. This is contrasted with the first birth everyone experiences in the flesh (physical world). In the Bible, Jesus stated that only those who are born-again shall see Heaven - "Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3).

The term is frequently used by Evangelical, Fundamentalist, Pentecostal and some Mainline branches of Protestant Christianity. It is sometimes associated with non-denominational individuals, groups and churches.

Outside of Christianity, the term "born again" is occasionally used to describe beliefs characterised by renewal, resurgence or return.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born_again_Christianity

It appears as though only certain sects place great emphasis upon "born again". Does that mean that all others are "not Real Christians"?

They would have never left the faith.

Is it true that once a person is "born again" they "NEVER leave the faith"?

How can anyone be certain that they or someone else is "born again" and will never leave the faith?

I have grave reservations about the legitimacy of so many people around here claiming to be former Christians, for the same reason I mention above.

Can the clear statements by members about being Former Christians be credibly dismissed with "I have greave reservations" by someone who knows nothing about the other person's situation? Or is that a presumptuous platitude?

[InTheFlesh]

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world"

And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Eve lusted InTheFlesh.
Her lust conceived
and brought forth sin.
After sin came death.

By your definition
Eve had sexual lust towards the tree!

You think that lust
only exists in sexual form
but the bible teaches otherwise.
You fail to see the lust of Eve
which brought forth death.

[myth-one.com]

Satan sinned before man ever existed. As to mankind, Eve was first with Adam a close second. Just as Adam and Eve were created without a knowledge of sin, newborns also have no knowledge of sin. The Bible defines sin as disobeying the commandments of God. Newborns do not even know the commandments of God.

The tendency to sin is passed down through physical tendencies, desires, and weaknesses such as hunger, thirst, vanity, sexual desires, greed, hate, envy, etc, etc, etc . . .

I am asking you to support your claim about original sin using verses not interpretations and conclusions

Which claim:

1) Satan sinned before man ever existed.

2) As to mankind, Eve was first with Adam a close second.

3) Just as Adam and Eve were created without a knowledge of sin, newborns also have no knowledge of sin.

4) The Bible defines sin as disobeying the commandments of God.

5) Newborns do not even know the commandments of God.

6) The tendency to sin is passed down through physical tendencies, desires, and weaknesses such as hunger, thirst, vanity, sexual desires, greed, hate, envy, etc, etc, etc . .