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I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

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Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 

1Jn 5:20 And we know G1492 G1161  that G3754  the G3588  son G5207 G3588  of God G2316  has come, G2240  and G2532  has given G1325  to us G1473  thought G1271  that G2443  we should know G1097  the one G3588  true; G228  and G2532  we are G1510.2.4  in G1722  the one G3588  true, G228  in G1722 G3588  his son G5207 G1473  Jesus G*  Christ. G5547  This one G3778  is G1510.2.3  the G3588  true G228  God, G2316  and G2532  the G3588  life G2222  eternal. G166

1Jn 5:20 οιδαμεν δε G1492 G1161  οτι G3754  ο G3588  υιος G5207  του G3588  θεου G2316  ηκει G2240  και G2532  δεδωκεν G1325  ημιν G1473  διανοιαν G1271  ινα G2443  γινωσκωμεν G1097  τον G3588  αληθινον G228  και G2532  εσμεν G1510.2.4  εν G1722  τω G3588  αληθινω G228  εν G1722  τω G3588  υιω αυτου G5207 G1473  Ιησου G*  χριστω G5547  ουτος G3778  εστιν G1510.2.3  ο G3588  αληθινος G228  θεος G2316  και G2532  η G3588  ζωη G2222  αιωνιος G166
But why the Almighty Father refer Himself as Jesus? (Rev 22:13)

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
But why the Almighty Father refer Himself as Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
He does no such thing.
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Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?

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Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.
Can you specifically answer the two questions?

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:56 am
No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.
Can you specifically answer the two questions?
I answered them.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:15 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
marke wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.
Can you specifically answer the two questions?
I answered them.
Do the word "this one" near or far from you?

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Re: What do JWs know?

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Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:45 pm
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The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.
Can you specifically answer the two questions?
I answered them.
Do the word "this one" near or far from you?
Can you be clearer on that? Your use of the English language is confusing.

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Re: What do JWs know?

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:54 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:45 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:15 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pm
onewithhim wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
But why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)

1Jn 5:20 And we know  that  the   son  of  has come,  and  has given  to us  thought  that  we should know  the one  true;  and  we are  in  the one   true,  in  his son Jesus   Christ. This one  is  the   true   God,  and  the  life  eternal. 
The Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.

Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.

In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
This one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.
Can you specifically answer the two questions?
I answered them.
Do the word "this one" near or far from you?
Can you be clearer on that? Your use of the English language is confusing.
If you do some shopping and see a thing far from you or maybe 10 meters from you, do you say "this one" pointing to that 10 meter distance thing?

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