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Post #1I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.
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Post #141But why the Almighty Father refer Himself as Jesus? (Rev 22:13)Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #142He does no such thing.
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #143Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #144onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #145Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Post #146onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 amCan you specifically answer the two questions?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #147Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pmI answered them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 amCan you specifically answer the two questions?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pmSo is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #148onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:15 amDo the word "this one" near or far from you?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pmI answered them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 amCan you specifically answer the two questions?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pmThe Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 2:28 pm
So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Re: What do JWs know?
Post #149Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:45 pmCan you be clearer on that? Your use of the English language is confusing.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:15 amDo the word "this one" near or far from you?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pmI answered them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 amCan you specifically answer the two questions?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 amDon't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.marke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2025 4:43 pm
The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.
Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?
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Post #150onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:54 pmIf you do some shopping and see a thing far from you or maybe 10 meters from you, do you say "this one" pointing to that 10 meter distance thing?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 2:45 pmCan you be clearer on that? Your use of the English language is confusing.onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 9:15 amDo the word "this one" near or far from you?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 25, 2025 2:42 pmI answered them.onewithhim wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 amCan you specifically answer the two questions?Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 11:43 amThis one is the Father, whose Son Jesus is.onewithhim wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 1:28 pmHow do you use "the one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:47 pmThe Almighty Father can call Himself whatever He wants, and He is both the first and last AND Alpha and Omega. because He is those things. He is everything. Jesus just reflects what Jehovah is. Jesus is "first and last" but not Alpha and Omega. It is just like when we talk about the Creator of all things. Jehovah is the Source of all things, and He gave Jesus the power to create everything. Yet Jesus is not the Source of things. He is the one by which Jehovah creates things. They both can be called "creator" but it is the Father who gives His power to His firstborn Son.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2025 2:55 pmBut why the Almighty Father called Himself as "the first and the last" as it referred to Jesus? (Rev 22:13)onewithhim wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:35 am
Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.
Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."
Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.
And Jesus is the true God in 1 John 5:20, see original Greek text below.
The "the one" in the verse all refers to the Father but the "this one" clearly refers to Jesus the nearest antecedent, the true God and eternal life. I colored them red.
Just a reminder that to experience eternal life is to know who really Jesus is. (John 17:3)
1Jn 5:20 And we know that the son of has come, and has given to us thought that we should know the one true; and we are in the one true, in his son Jesus Christ. This one is the true God, and the life eternal.
Therefore, God, the Father, is both first and last and Alpha and Omega, just as He is the Source of all things created. Jesus is just the first and the last as he is not the Source of life but his Father is and the Father gives His power to His Son.
In I John 5:20 it is clear to me that it is the one who is the Father to Christ that is the true God.
How do you use "this one"? Do it refer to someone nearer or farther?