All the words and teachings of Jesus?

[Revelations won]

Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

[otseng]

Since God gave those people to their lewd thoughts, their faith is geared up to an animated illusion of their so-called gods. What would we benefit from a mere illusion? Both are non-existent, but due to the stubborn minds of those people in worshipping Brahman and Vishnu, God allowed them to their lewd minds.

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[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #80]

Then depending on the details, you might consider something a revelation by Osiris or Zeus?

I could conclude if I were given specific details of the said revelation.

Do you know how many members of various churches have related experiences of feeling God's presence?

It's difficult for you to understand what I'm talking about regarding this issue, since you've seen nothing from us. And why do you say God’s presence? What exactly have you witnessed about God's presence, and how sure are you of yourself that it's really God's presence? What have you learned from God?

You say that Jesus has proven himself to you, so the burden would be on you to prove him to anyone he hasn't proven himself to.

Well, that's your idea, not the Lord's, since He commanded the apostles to make all nations His disciples, not to prove His existence and reality through the apostles and disciples. If you were correct, the Lord would not command the disciples, but He would do it Himself.

You assert that people can believe what you say about Jesus.

My job is to testify to the Lord so that those who believe in Him may come to Him. I don't assert anything positive or negative from them.

Does that make you Jesus?

Of course not, that does not make me Jesus.

If it doesn't, then how does it make the Bible Jesus?

The Lord taught us that anyone who thinks that God speaks to him when he reads the bible, he makes the Bible God, or Jesus. Anyone who describes God by what he reads about God in the bible makes the Bible God, or Jesus. Anyone who follows the commands he reads in the bible makes the Bible God, or Jesus.

You're going to say that you don't claim to be Jesus, but the Bible doesn't claim to be Jesus either.

Nice perception, and I like what you said here. The trouble then is not with you, but with many who think the bible is God in itself.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #82]

It's difficult for you to understand what I'm talking about regarding this issue, since you've seen nothing from us.

Why would I have to see anything from you?

And why do you say God’s presence?

Because that's what people claim to have felt.

What exactly have you witnessed about God's presence, and how sure are you of yourself that it's really God's presence?

Maybe this is what's difficult for you to understand. When relying on sense, reason and intellect, I don't have to be sure of myself; I can be sure of facts. Indeed, I would say that it's often better to look for God's presence in facts than in subjective feelings.

What have you learned from God?

To fix reason firmly in her seat.


You say that Jesus has proven himself to you, so the burden would be on you to prove him to anyone he hasn't proven himself to.

Well, that's your idea, not the Lord's, since He commanded the apostles to make all nations His disciples

The Lord taught us that anyone who thinks that God speaks to him when he reads the bible, he makes the Bible God, or Jesus.

When people read in the Christian Bible that Jesus commanded his apostles to make all nations his disciples, and people believe that God is speaking to them through what they're reading, are they just making the Bible into God?

Anyone who describes God by what he reads about God in the bible makes the Bible God, or Jesus.

So no one should believe the Christian Bible when it has Jesus say that God is a spirit (John 4:24)?

Anyone who follows the commands he reads in the bible makes the Bible God, or Jesus.

So Christians shouldn't follow Jesus' command in the Christian Bible to love one another as he loves them because that would just be making the Bible into God?

The trouble then is not with you, but with many who think the bible is God in itself.

I would suggest that the problem is more with your assumption that people think the Bible is God when literally no one believes that.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #83]

Why would I have to see anything from you?

Didn't say you would have to see anything from me, but rather, you've seen nothing from us, which is why it would be difficult for you to understand what I'm talking about in this issue.

Because that's what people claim to have felt.

That's what they say, but why are they still stuck in the denominations and the bible, and to their leaders who are humans like them, instead of the Lord Himself?

Maybe this is what's difficult for you to understand. When relying on sense, reason and intellect, I don't have to be sure of myself; I can be sure of facts. Indeed, I would say that it's often better to look for God's presence in facts than in subjective feelings.

What would your soul benefit from relying on your sense, reason, and intellect about God's presence? Don't you know that by not letting go of the old that is in you, the wisdom coming from God, and God Himself, will not come to you, no matter how hard you use your own sense, reason, and intellect in looking for God's presence. God's way must prevail over men's way in this issue.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ:

But without your Lord teaching you, how will you know what's right or wrong? Unless you let go of the old, what you've learned on your own will not bring you the wisdom that comes from your Lord.

If you don't let go of the old, you'll remain ignorant of the meaning of sin because no one can teach you the meaning of these things except your Lord God.

The same is true when looking for God's presence and manifestations.

To fix reason firmly in her seat.

How did God say that to you?

When people read in the Christian Bible that Jesus commanded his apostles to make all nations his disciples, and people believe that God is speaking to them through what they're reading, are they just making the Bible into God?

Yes, they do make the bible God, as evidenced by the shaded texts above.

So no one should believe the Christian Bible when it has Jesus say that God is a spirit (John 4:24)?

Suppose they believe in their own definition of spirit, better not. Come to God first and ask God what the word, spirit, truly means to convey to them by the Bible.

So Christians shouldn't follow Jesus' command in the Christian Bible to love one another as he loves them because that would just be making the Bible into God?

Technically, your premise is self-contradictory since Christians do listen and follow the Lord by what they have heard and will still hear from the real and forever living Christ Jesus until the end. They learned from the Lord how to execute love and put it into practice. The bible is not the source of what they follow and put into practice, as far as the Lord's commands are concerned.

I would suggest that the problem is more with your assumption that people think the Bible is God when literally no one believes that.

One participant here pointed out that the Bible is God, as many more in mainstream denominations do in various religious forums on the World Wide Web.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #84]

Because that's what people claim to have felt.

That's what they say, but why are they still stuck in the denominations and the bible, and to their leaders who are humans like them, instead of the Lord Himself?

"Stuck" is your assessment.

What would your soul benefit from relying on your sense, reason, and intellect about God's presence? Don't you know that by not letting go of the old that is in you, the wisdom coming from God, and God Himself, will not come to you, no matter how hard you use your own sense, reason, and intellect in looking for God's presence.

That's your opinion.


To fix reason firmly in her seat.

How did God say that to you?

Through reason itself.


So no one should believe the Christian Bible when it has Jesus say that God is a spirit (John 4:24)?

Suppose they believe in their own definition of spirit

Instead of believing in your definition of spirit?


So Christians shouldn't follow Jesus' command in the Christian Bible to love one another as he loves them because that would just be making the Bible into God?

Technically, your premise is self-contradictory since Christians do listen and follow the Lord by what they have heard and will still hear from the real and forever living Christ Jesus until the end. They learned from the Lord how to execute love and put it into practice. The bible is not the source of what they follow and put into practice, as far as the Lord's commands are concerned.

So you get to determine who is and who isn't a Christian based on how you do things?

One participant here pointed out that the Bible is God, as many more in mainstream denominations do in various religious forums on the World Wide Web.

Can you direct me to that assertion? I'm sure that I've never heard or seen anyone anywhere express the belief that the Bible is God.

[OneJack]

One participant here pointed out that the Bible is God, as many more in mainstream denominations do in various religious forums on the World Wide Web.

Can you direct me to that assertion? I'm sure that I've never heard or seen anyone anywhere express the belief that the Bible is God.

He said:
And the Bible/scriptures are the very words of God that came from the mouth of God. So, when we read the Bible, we can know that god himself is speaking.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #85]

So Christians shouldn't follow Jesus' command in the Christian Bible to love one another as he loves them because that would just be making the Bible into God?

Technically, your premise is self-contradictory since Christians do listen and follow the Lord by what they have heard and will still hear from the real and forever living Christ Jesus until the end. They learned from the Lord how to execute love and put it into practice. The bible is not the source of what they follow and put into practice, as far as the Lord's commands are concerned.

So you get to determine who is and who isn't a Christian based on how you do things?

Your skewed premise contradicts the Christian way of life. Since they are Christians, they only follow what they have heard and learned from the real and forever living Christ Jesus, not anything from the bible, which is not Jesus.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #86]

He said:
And the Bible/scriptures are the very words of God that came from the mouth of God. So, when we read the Bible, we can know that god himself is speaking.

That isn't saying, "the Bible is God".

Saying "when we read the Bible, we can know that god himself is speaking" is like saying "when we listen to Joe's voice coming over the phone, we can know that Joe himself is speaking." It's saying that you can know Joe's words coming through the phone. It's not saying that the phone is Joe.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #87]

Your skewed premise contradicts the Christian way of life. Since they are Christians, they only follow what they have heard and learned from the real and forever living Christ Jesus, not anything from the bible, which is not Jesus.

So you get to define "the Christian way of life" for every Christian?

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #86]

He said:
And the Bible/scriptures are the very words of God that came from the mouth of God. So, when we read the Bible, we can know that god himself is speaking.

That isn't saying, "the Bible is God".

Saying "when we read the Bible, we can know that god himself is speaking" is like saying "when we listen to Joe's voice coming over the phone, we can know that Joe himself is speaking." It's saying that you can know Joe's words coming through the phone. It's not saying that the phone is Joe.

When I talk to you over the phone, I hear your voice, real and alive, and I'm not reading what you're telling me, do I? I'm hearing what you say, and when I ask you something, you can respond to me right away, don't you? God is real and alive; He is not the bible. Better try another defensive idea.