Quranic contradictions?

[Abdullah]

None,

I challenge every person here to find any, you won't succeed.

[Greatest I Am]

Men have a greater capacity than women that is why much more is placed on the man in the relationship, in society, in bussiness etc. Sure there are some women who far exceed the expectations or the norms but those are few. Since men are the maintainers of the women more responsibility is placed on him. When I say of lower rank I mean in terms of worship and the amount that is obligatory for men and women. For example the salat has to be performed by the men all year round throughout their life without any breaks, all the salats that are obligatory must be performed. But as for the women this is not the case once every month there are not able to perform salat because of the menses. Every year after hajj the men have to pay the zakat which is 2% of what they have to be given to the poor, women do not have to. every man is obligated to attend friday prayer at the mosque which the women are not, in the home and in the marriage the man has a position of leadership to be the Imam of the home and lead the family into righteousness, to provide sustain and maintain financial stability and security for them. These responsibilities are not placed on the women. Allah created human beings as equals and distinguished from each other based on there piety the prophet said that a black person is not better than a red person, except in piety. And yes there are many women who are greater in faith than men but the mans responsibility is greater in measurement tan the women

Well, that shows me some very good reasons why any woman who is sane would not want to convert to Islam. That chauvinistic attitude and bigotry towards woman would definitely be a turn off.

The reason you don't see 'AVERAGE' women going into business and such is that due to the prejudice of the 'average' Islamic man, they would not succeed. You need an extraordinary person to over come prejudice.

I basically agree with you but from the way He answers, and squirms about, it may be cultural, in terms of the males seeing themselves as duty bound to protect women and when taking more than one wife they say taking on more responsibility than speaking of love.

It is always hard to evaluate a culture especially when religion is their guide. They may truly believe as in older times that women still need their protection. Their religion does seem to push the males too far here. I don’t know if the males are self serving or if they truly are serving women. Perhaps only the women know.

Lets be patient and we may see if this person is a fundamentalist or one who will eventually see his other roots.

Regards
DL

It might be cultural to be the extreme, however, I have seen this attitude over and over again, through very very many Islamic men. The religion seems to enforce it.
Mind you, I have seen it in Christianity too... but for the most part, Christians are getting over it.

True, Christianity has moved forward. Fundamentalists have not. Both religions have them and I don't know the numbers in % for each. It is hard to know because of the fracture of Christianity into so many sects while Islam is more coherent.

Regards
DL

[Goat]

Speaking of "against the natural order of things" check this out:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.htm ... page_id=34

Touching, huh? That's the beauty of Islam. I mean, how can you look at that and deny that Islam is the one and only Truth and Mohammad is his last and greatest prophet... the greatest and finest human being in the history of mankind!!! Only Mohammad's wife was a lot younger than this little girl.

Did you know that when girls this young have babies (acceptable age for a man to take a child bride in Islam -- menses) when they have babies that young it often perforates the tissue between the vagina and the rectum so that the girl no longer has control over her feces because it just flows out through the vagina?

http://www.endfistula.org/q_a.htm

If you look at the map where this most commonly occurs and superimpose the map of Islamic populations around the world you'll see a direct correlation.

Lovely. Yep, that Mohammad was definitely the finest human being that ever lived.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

I especially like his idea of heaven... can you tell us about heaven and the houris with the perky breasts and re-generating hymens? Can you share this beautiful part of your perfect and holy Quran with us please??? Tell us how each time a man takes the houri he breaks her hymen and makes her bleed and then it just grows right back!!! Oh, it's such a beautiful story... won't you tell us more?

The Muslim man's dream is to spend eternity making young girls bleed over and over again.

Gotta love that Mohammad.

I learn something new every day.

Is this practice still in use today is the question that pops up in my mind.

I also know that in Europe as close in time as 14, 15 century, it was not uncommon to marry 12 year old girls. In the days of Mohamed, all cultures married young because the average age at death was 25 years old. Not much time for girls and women to produce 2 or three children. There were many child deaths at that time as well. All cultural conditions that do not exist today so it is hard for us to condemn a culture for keeping their numbers growing without living their life. Today it is hopefully different. I will try to find out.

If we are to condemn gods or prophets, The Christian God is the worst, if you believe in the genocidal flood.

Regards
DL

At this time, it is not to condemn Mohamed, but rather people who still go by
certain rather outdated cultural practices that are shown to be detrimental, just because the founder of their religion did it 700 years ago. The refusal to see the world has changed around them, or to change themselves. The way the Sharia laws have been instituted has discouraged change from this outdated mode of thinking.

[Greatest I Am]

Speaking of "against the natural order of things" check this out:

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.htm ... page_id=34

Touching, huh? That's the beauty of Islam. I mean, how can you look at that and deny that Islam is the one and only Truth and Mohammad is his last and greatest prophet... the greatest and finest human being in the history of mankind!!! Only Mohammad's wife was a lot younger than this little girl.

Did you know that when girls this young have babies (acceptable age for a man to take a child bride in Islam -- menses) when they have babies that young it often perforates the tissue between the vagina and the rectum so that the girl no longer has control over her feces because it just flows out through the vagina?

http://www.endfistula.org/q_a.htm

If you look at the map where this most commonly occurs and superimpose the map of Islamic populations around the world you'll see a direct correlation.

Lovely. Yep, that Mohammad was definitely the finest human being that ever lived.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/childbrides.htm

I especially like his idea of heaven... can you tell us about heaven and the houris with the perky breasts and re-generating hymens? Can you share this beautiful part of your perfect and holy Quran with us please??? Tell us how each time a man takes the houri he breaks her hymen and makes her bleed and then it just grows right back!!! Oh, it's such a beautiful story... won't you tell us more?

The Muslim man's dream is to spend eternity making young girls bleed over and over again.

Gotta love that Mohammad.

I learn something new every day.

Is this practice still in use today is the question that pops up in my mind.

I also know that in Europe as close in time as 14, 15 century, it was not uncommon to marry 12 year old girls. In the days of Mohamed, all cultures married young because the average age at death was 25 years old. Not much time for girls and women to produce 2 or three children. There were many child deaths at that time as well. All cultural conditions that do not exist today so it is hard for us to condemn a culture for keeping their numbers growing without living their life. Today it is hopefully different. I will try to find out.

If we are to condemn gods or prophets, The Christian God is the worst, if you believe in the genocidal flood.

Regards
DL

At this time, it is not to condemn Mohamed, but rather people who still go by
certain rather outdated cultural practices that are shown to be detrimental, just because the founder of their religion did it 700 years ago. The refusal to see the world has changed around them, or to change themselves. The way the Sharia laws have been instituted has discouraged change from this outdated mode of thinking.

Again hard to disagree. In Christian terms I have the worst time debating with those who really believe in the talking snake.
I have not found a way to reason with these people. Too bad for them.

Regards
DL

[carolineislands]

Topic is Islam/Quran and a challenge for contradictions.

[muhammad rasullah]

muhammad rasullah

Please tell me of life after death. Heaven , hell and what else?

Regards
DL

I can only describe to you what allah and his messenger have told to us about the day of judgement
Allah says in the quran; 6:29 And they (sometimes) say: "There is nothing except our life on this earth, and never shall we be raised up again. 6:30 If thou couldst but see when they are confronted with their Lord! He will say: "Is not this the truth?" They will say: "Yea, by our Lord!" He will say: "Taste ye then the penalty, because ye rejected Faith." 6:31 Lost indeed are they who treat it as a falsehood that they must meet Allah,- until on a sudden the hour is on them, and they say: "Ah! woe unto us that we took no thought of it"; for they bear their burdens on their backs, and evil indeed are the burdens that they bear? 6:32 What is the life of this world but play and amusement? But best is the home in the hereafter, for those who are righteous. Will ye not then understand?

There is not what else this life in which we live will not last forever and there must be a point when we will be held accountable for all the things we've done in this life. The life of the hereafter will be eternal those who have obeyed allah and his messenger will be among the righteous and those who have not will be among the losers they will suffer the punishment of allah and they will wish for the punishment to be delayed so they could beg for allah's mercy but mercy will not be given then since the judgement has already come to pass. and they will regret the things they have done. For those who chose to obey allah and his messenger allah says; 2:25 But unto those who have attained to faith and do good works give the glad tiding that theirs shall be gardens through which running waters flow. Whenever they are granted fruits there from as their appointed sustenance, they will say, "It is this that in days of yore was granted to us as our sustenance!"-for they shall be given something that will recall that [past]. [17] And there shall they have spouses pure, and there shall they abide. 4:57 But those who attain to faith and do righteous deeds We shall bring into gardens through which running waters flow, therein to abide beyond the count of time; there shall they have spouses pure: and [thus] We shall bring them unto happiness abounding. 7:50 And the inmates of the fire will call out unto the inmates of paradise: "Pour some water upon us, or some of the sustenance [of paradise] which God has provided for you!" [The inmates of paradise] will reply: "Verily, God has denied both to those who have denied the truth -

[muhammad rasullah]

muhammad rasullah

What is it about being Gay that offends Islam. What exactly is wrong with being Gay?

Regards
DL

The thing that offends Islam about homosexuality is that homosexuality goes against the natural order of things.

Then why are you still hacking up your children's genitals? Isn't that "against the natural order of things?"

LOL

Muslims will argue anything that props up the agenda, no matter how ludicrous the argument. But when you use their OWN logic on their OWN beliefs they squirm like salted slugs.

It seems that you still don't understand the definitions of mutilation and circumcision. was jesus mutilated or circumcised?

[muhammad rasullah]

Okay, I just have one more question for tonight then I'll leave before I get in trouble.

1. Islam demands that women and men keep their private parts covered.

2. Men do that by covering from the knee to the belly button.

3. Women do that by covering everything but parts of their faces and sometimes their hands.

4. Private Parts -- from the Thesaurus: private parts, noun Definition: genitals

5. Therefore a man's genitals is the area between his belly button and his knees but a woman's genitals is her whole body, head to toe including her hair.

My question is this:

If a woman is just one big walking genitalia, why not let her cut her hair and leave her clitoris alone?

Your post are becoming more and more amusing as I read them seeing as though you love to take things out of context. When I say private parts I mean private in the sense that only her husband should see them. And yes this includes all that which is mentioned to be covered. During the times of the prophet and before women used to wear the kimar which means head covering to cover there hair. but yet they would wear revealing clothing showing off the rest of their bodies to the men. This is not the act of a righteous women. So allah revealed 24:31 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their VEILs over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.

Nowone every has any problem with the Nuns when they cover there body that they are being overpowered by their men but when Islam does it it's unjust. Were holding the women back from society. my question is why does society want to see the women so unrevealed so much? why is that exceptable to portray yourself like a prostitute and not as righteous? It also states this in the bible as well that women should cover this way just ask the Nuns!!

[carolineislands]

muhammad rasullah

Please tell me of life after death. Heaven , hell and what else?

Regards
DL

I can only describe to you what allah and his messenger have told to us about the day of judgement
Allah says in the quran; ...

Aren't you going to tell him about the houris with the regenerating hymens?

[carolineislands]

During the times of the prophet and before women used to wear the kimar which means head covering to cover there hair. but yet they would wear revealing clothing showing off the rest of their bodies to the men. ...(must ordinarily) appear thereof;[/color] that they should draw their VEILs over their bosoms ...

Well I had never heard THAT. You mean they were walking around with their heads and everything else covered but their breasts were out?

LOL

Nowone every has any problem with the Nuns when they cover there body that they are being overpowered by their men

They may, but this thread is not about Catholic nuns. Still, at least they choose to wear the habit and their husbands don't beat them if they choose not to. In case you hadn't noticed, not very many nuns do wear habit any more. That's because they're free to make their own choice about it... no arrests or beatings or anything like that.

[Greatest I Am]

muhammad rasullah

“ there shall they have spouses pure: and [thus] We shall bring them unto happiness abounding.”

How many spouses Is Allah allowing? How many for men and how many for woman?

Heaven is thought to be a non corporeal place. What need does one have for a spouse.
No bodies = no sex, no babies, no orgasm.

Regards
DL