Quranic contradictions?

[Abdullah]

None,

I challenge every person here to find any, you won't succeed.

[McCulloch]

None,

I challenge every person here to find any, you won't succeed.

Perhaps it is because we are less familiar with the Quran than with the Bible.

[McCulloch]

Moved to Non-Christian Religions and Philosophies. This is not about Christianity.

[McCulloch]

[mcol]How many angels talked to Mary?[row]One[col]many[row]19: 16-19 And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God- fearing. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.[col]3: 42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. 3: 45 (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah).[mrow]How long is Allah's day?[row]1,000 years.[col]50,000 years.[row]22:47 A Day with Allah is as a thousand years of what ye reckon.[col]70:4 Unto Him in a Day whereof the span is fifty thousand years.[mrow]How many angels fought with Muhammad?[row]3000 [col]1000[row]3:124, 126 When thou didst say unto the believers: Is it not sufficient for you that your Lord should support you with three thousand angels sent down (to your help)? ... Allah ordained this only as a message of good cheer for you, and that thereby your hearts might be at rest - Victory cometh only from Allah, the Mighty, the Wise.[col]8:9-10 When ye sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): I will help you with a thousand of the angels, rank on rank. Allah appointed it only as good tidings, and that your hearts thereby might be at rest. Victory cometh only by the help of Allah. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise.[mrow] Does everything obey Allah?[row]Yes, everything obeys him.[col]No, Iblis disobeyed Allah.[row]30:26 Unto Him belongeth whosoever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient unto Him. [col]2:34 We said unto the angels: Prostrate yourselves before Adam, they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He demurred through pride, and so became a disbeliever.[mrow] When did the people repent for worshiping the golden calf?[row]Before Moses returned.[col]After Moses returned.[row]7: 148-150 And the folk of Moses, after (he left them), chose a calf (for worship), (made) out of their ornaments, of saffron hue, which gave a lowing sound. Saw they not that it spake not unto them nor guided them to any way? They chose it, and became wrong-doers. And when they feared the consequences thereof and saw that they had gone astray, they said: Unless our Lord have mercy on us and forgive us, we verily are of the lost. And when Moses returned unto his people.... [col]20: 88-91 Then he produced for them a calf, of saffron hue, which gave forth a lowing sound. And they cried: This is your god and the god of Moses, but he hath forgotten. See they not, then, that it returneth no saying unto them and possesseth for them neither hurt nor use? And Aaron indeed had told them beforehand: O my people! Ye are but being seduced therewith, for lo! your Lord is the Beneficent, so follow me and obey my order. They said: We shall by no means cease to be its votaries till Moses return unto us.

[Wyvern]

After a short search I found this list of 97 internal contradictions.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

There are other difficulties, my favorite is the claim that Alexander the Great was muslim and lived to a ripe old age, neither of which is true.

[Cogitoergosum]

None,

I challenge every person here to find any, you won't succeed.

Perhaps it is because we are less familiar with the Quran than with the Bible.

Abdullah you are as deluded as the people who belive in the bible, i'm sorry i don't have an english quran with me, cuz u guys don't allowe it translated. But i have read it in arabic and so i'm gonna translate becaue now i don't have an arabi keybord with me (i'm lebanese but now living in the states for the last 4 years):

First the quran calls him merciful.
second one of the first verses of the quran, says " some people will not believe that mohammad is the prophet, they won't believe because god does not want them to believe, god wants them to burn in hell, so don't bother preaching to them"
Now that is hardly merciful is it?
and this is only the tip of the iceberg. if i had my arabic quran with me i would have translated dozens of other contradictions. if the bible could be defended some, the quran not at all.

[ILoveJesus]

[mcol]How many angels talked to Mary?[row]One[col]many[row]19: 16-19 And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art God- fearing. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.[col]3: 42 And when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah hath chosen thee and made thee pure, and hath preferred thee above (all) the women of creation. 3: 45 (And remember) when the angels said: O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word from him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah

The events have taken the following sequences:

First:
Allah (swt) sent the angles to tell Mary (p) about the glad tidings. This
is in verse (3:45).


Then:
After the angles left Mary (p) she started wondering and prayed to Allah
(swt) asking Him in the first part of verse (3:47): "O my Lord!, How shall
I have a son when no man has touched me…"

Note: Here she didn't ask the angles but she prayed and asked Allah (swt).
This means that the angles have already gone. If the angles were still
there then why she didn't ask them.?

So, after she prayed and asked Allah(swt), Allah (swt) sent one angle to
Mary (p) to give her His answer in the second part of verse (3:47) "… He
said: So (it will be) for Allah creats what He wills. When He has decreed
something, He says to it only:"Be!"- and it is."


Finally:
After a period of time Allah (swt) sent his messenger, the angel Gabriel
(p), to grant her a pure child. This is in verse (19:19).

In this time she didn't ask Allah as in verse (3:47), but she asked the
angle Gabriel (p) because he was in front of her and she was afraid from
him: " How can I have a son, when no man has touched me, nor am I
unchaste?" ,verse (19:20)

The angle answered her as mentioned in verse (19:21).
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Isn't this a simple explanation?

wassalamu alaikum,
Khalid
http://www.answering-christianity.com/quran/i003.htm

After a short search I found this list of 97 internal contradictions.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/#internal

There are other difficulties, my favorite is the claim that Alexander the Great was muslim and lived to a ripe old age, neither of which is true.

After a short search I found this list of answers
http://www.answering-christianity.com/q ... ranerr.htm

" some people will not believe that mohammad is the prophet, they won't believe because god does not want them to believe, god wants them to burn in hell, so don't bother preaching to them"

hi Cogitoergosum,
keep your time here is a translation of the Holy Quran in English. search in Google you will find many other sites..
http://www.islambasics.com/view.php?bkID=120
about your verse do you mean this.


Here is the true translation:
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam(true submission to God), it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. How shall God guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and God does not guide the unjust people. (Quran 3:85-86)

[Cogitoergosum]

Here is the true translation:
"And whoever desires a religion other than Islam(true submission to God), it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers. How shall God guide a people who disbelieved after their believing and (after) they had borne witness that the Messenger was true and clear arguments had come to them; and God does not guide the unjust people. (Quran 3:85-86)

that is indeed the translation of what u posted in arabic, but this is not the verse i was translating myslef, it is a different one, but thx for the link i will find that verse for u tonight.
besides u did not translate the last sentence which says:" those people "unjust" have for punishement the wrath of god, and all people"

[Cogitoergosum]

eternal thanks to Ilovejesus for providing this link, here is the verse i was talking about, it is in the Al-baqara section, which starts saying:
" in the Name of allah the all merciful and then goes on"

6. Indeed, those who disbelieve – it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.
7. Allāh has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
15. [But] Allāh mocks them (disbleievers) and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
18. Deaf, dumb and blind – so they will not return [to the right path].

Again thank you, and for those who think that the quran is immaculate, u have not read it. To the person "abdullah" who challenged us to find one contradiction, here u go. keep ur god and his mercy for urself.

[ILoveJesus]

hi Cogitoergosum,
you took some verses out of context. here the whole passege from verse 2 to 20 I didn't find anycontradiction in it

2.This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah
3.Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them,
4.And who believe in what has been revealed to you, [O Muhammad], and what was revealed before you, and of the Hereafter they are certain [in faith].
5.Those are upon [right] guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful.
6.Indeed, those who disbelieve. it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them – they will not believe.
7.Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.
8.And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.
9.They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not.
10.In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie.
11. And when it is said to them, "Do not cause corruption on the earth," they say, "We are but reformers."
12. Unquestionably, it is they who are the corrupters, but they perceive [it] not.
13.And when it is said to them, "Believe as the people have believed," they say, "Should we believe as the foolish have believed?" Unquestionably, it is they who are the foolish, but they know [it] not.
14. And when they meet those who believe, they say, "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say, "Indeed, we are with you; we were only mockers.�
15. [But] Allah mocks them and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.
16.Those are the ones who have purchased error [in exchange] for guidance, so their transaction has brought no profit, nor were they guided.
17.Their example is that of one who kindled a fire, but when it illuminated what was around him, Allah took away their light and left them in darkness [so] they could not see.
18. Deaf, dumb and blind so they will not return [to the right path].
19. Or [it is] like a rainstorm from the sky within which is darkness, thunder and lightning. They put their fingers in their ears against the thunderclaps in dread of death. But Allah is encompassing of the disbelievers.
20. The lightning almost snatches away their sight. Every time it lights [the way] for them, they walk therein; but when darkness comes over them, they stand [still]. And if Allah had willed, He could have taken away their hearing and their sight. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.

Indeed those who disbelieve:… ‘Disbelief’ is given for kufr, which means concealment, as if the disbeliever conceals reality and refuses to show it. ‘Those who disbelieve' here means those amongst the disbelievers who were die-hard stubborn, as they are the typical model of those who disbelieve. Apart from them, many of the people who believed in the Messenger, Allah condescend upon him and upon his House, were disbelievers who then believed. :

it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe, they will not believe.….It is clear that it makes no difference to a stubborn opponent whether he is warned or not, except that he must be warned so that the hujjat or argument and ground for punishment against him is complete, and he has no come-back. This portent was a comfort to the Messenger, Allah condescend upon him and upon his House, so as to relieve him of any distress his opponents' obstinacy was causing him.

Allah mocks them… That is, He does to them what a mocker would do: He subjects them in the world to the rules of faith, while in the hereafter He requites them with the requital of the disbelievers. In some traditions it is stated that He mocks them in the hereafter with the Fire.

and prolongs them in their transgression [while] they wander blindly.He furthers them in their transgression by not restraining them, just as it is said that a king furthers the highway robbers when he fails to eradicate them. ‘Transgression’ is given for tughy?n, meaning to transgress the boundaries, to stray and to wander. The hypocrite is like one who is in total confusion. Allah furthers them in the sense that the world is the realm of choice and examination; there is no question of it meaning compulsion.

Deaf, dumb, blind Their ears do not benefit them with truth, and so they and the deaf are equal. They do not speak truth. and so they and the dumb are equal. And they are blind, for they do not see the truth, and so they and the blind are equal.

so they will not return [to the right path]. They do not return from their straying and their deviation. ‘So' is given for fa, which here implies that since they are deaf, dumb and blind no goodness can be expected of them, for, as it is said, ‘the deaf hears no request.'

be blessed
Tafsir Surat Al-Bagarah
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