The Godhead, Correctly Explained

[A Freeman]

Excerpt below from:

In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -

IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

[Capbook]

Simple, REAL logic dictates that if someone has to dishonestly redefine the meanings of words in their vain attempt to hammer-fit their religious traditions and superstitions, they aren't capable of rational thought (James 1:8).

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- deceitfully redefine to try to make their religious traditions and silly superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible

I just believe Bible lexicons correctly defined Bible words of what it means at the time it was used.

[A Freeman]

To further illustrate the absurdity of those who falsely claim that "Jesus is God", even though there isn't one single verse in all of Scripture where Jesus claimed to be God (John 14:28; John 20:17), nor claimed to be all knowing (Matt.24:36), nor claimed to be all-powerful (Matt. 28:18; John 5:19-20), nor instructed anyone to pray to him (Matt. 6:9-13); nor claimed to have sent himself (John 17:3); nor gave glory to anyone other than His Father and His God, please see the list with logical questions and explanations that should challenge anyone truly seeking God with even a modicum of HUMILITY:

Appointed/Appointed One (God is NEVER appointed by anyone else to do anything)
Anointed/Anointed One (God has no need to be anointed, nor has He ever anointed by anyone else)
Begotten (made/created, i.e. brought into existence, either from creation or in the case of humans, from procreation - none of which applies to God)
Born (God, who exists from everlasting to everlasting, can NEVER be described as "born", i.e. brought into existence)
Brethren (God does NOT have brethren)
Creature (something that is created)
Father (a Father is the progenitor of the Father's Children and can NEVER be His own child or son)
Fellows (how could The Most High God have fellows)
Firstborn/Firstbegotten (how could God be the first one brought into existence, when He is eternal and has no beginning nor any end?)
Equal to (how could anyone be equal to The Most High God?)
Given (why would God need anyone to give Him anything, when He created and owns EVERYTHING?)
God (God is ONE, and He is always omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent at ALL times - God can NEVER be human, nor the son of a human - Num. 23:19)
Godhead (described in 1 Corinthians 11:3, where the head of Christ -- and everyone else -- is God)
Grace (doing something effortlessly, offering someone a grace period, etc.)
Greater than (which can never mean "equal to")
Heir (God obviously cannot be His own heir)
Image (likeness, when compared to the original)
Inheritance (how could God inherit anything He doesn't already possess when He already own everything?)
Invisible (not visible to human eyes)
Made (created; there is no such thing as "begotten not made", as begotten means "brought into existence")
Man (humans)
Mediator (a liaison between two parties)
Nothing (the polar opposite of everything, which obviously could never mean everything)
Of (originating from)
Omnipotent (all-powerful at all times - see: John 5:19-20)
Omnipresent (ever-present, at all times - 2 Chron. 6:18)
Omniscient (all-knowing at all times - see Matt. 24:36)
One (which means one, NOT 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one)
Son (the offspring of the Father, either created or, in the case of humans, procreated)
Son of God (the offspring created by God, Who is a Spiritual-Being - John 4:24)
Son of Man (the male offspring of a human, usually resulting from procreation, with one very notable exception: Jesus)
The Head of (the Lord of, boss of, leader of, etc.)
The MOST High (there are NONE higher, nor equal to)
Three (which means 3, NOT 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than three, e.g. see: Matt. 12:39-40)
Two (which means 2)
Visible (something that can be seen, i.e. that which is NOT invisible)

[A Freeman]

Simple, REAL logic dictates that if someone has to dishonestly redefine the meanings of words in their vain attempt to hammer-fit their religious traditions and superstitions, they aren't capable of rational thought (James 1:8).

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- deceitfully redefine to try to make their religious traditions and silly superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible

I just believe Bible lexicons correctly defined Bible words of what it means at the time it was used.

And that is why you fail to understand even the simplest spiritual concepts in the Bible. God gave us the Bible; men wrote "lexicons" to manipulate the minds of those who allow them to redefine the true meaning of words.

Logically, one should be seeking answers from above NOT from below.

[A Freeman]

Q: If a cat has a son, what would that son be? A: A cat.

Q: If a dog has a son, what would that son be? A: A dog.

Q: If a horse has a son, what would that son be? A: A horse.

Q: If a human has a son, what would that son be? A: A human.

Q: If God has a son, what would that son be? A: A god (Ps. 82:6; John 10:35).

Hence the simple question that Christ, through the mouth of Jesus posed to the politicians, which no human has ever been able to correctly answer:

Matthew 22:41-46
22:41 While the politicians were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
22:42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, [The Son] of David.
22:43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
22:44 The "I AM" said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
22:45 If David then call him Lord, how is He his son?
22:46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any [man] from that day forth ask him any more [questions].

[Capbook]

Simple, REAL logic dictates that if someone has to dishonestly redefine the meanings of words in their vain attempt to hammer-fit their religious traditions and superstitions, they aren't capable of rational thought (James 1:8).

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- deceitfully redefine to try to make their religious traditions and silly superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible

I just believe Bible lexicons correctly defined Bible words of what it means at the time it was used.

And that is why you fail to understand even the simplest spiritual concepts in the Bible. God gave us the Bible; men wrote "lexicons" to manipulate the minds of those who allow them to redefine the true meaning of words.

Logically, one should be seeking answers from above NOT from below.

Because I just believe JWs were not taught to consult Bible lexicons as they heavily relied their beliefs from paraphrase translations.
Here let me quote a text from literal word for word Bible translation that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages.
NAS95+ renders John 1:18, Jesus as the only-begotten God, supported by the oldest manuscripts the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.
With Strong Concordance of the Bible words from the original Greek. There are various readings but not described as the original wordings.

Jhn 1:18  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2 the only G3439  begotten G3439  God G2316  who is  R3 in the bosom G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has explained G1834  Him.

[A Freeman]

Simple, REAL logic dictates that if someone has to dishonestly redefine the meanings of words in their vain attempt to hammer-fit their religious traditions and superstitions, they aren't capable of rational thought (James 1:8).

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- deceitfully redefine to try to make their religious traditions and silly superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
Visible

I just believe Bible lexicons correctly defined Bible words of what it means at the time it was used.

And that is why you fail to understand even the simplest spiritual concepts in the Bible. God gave us the Bible; men wrote "lexicons" to manipulate the minds of those who allow them to redefine the true meaning of words.

Logically, one should be seeking answers from above NOT from below.

Because I just believe JWs were not taught to consult Bible lexicons as they heavily relied their beliefs from paraphrase translations.
Here let me quote a text from literal word for word Bible translation that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages.
NAS95+ renders John 1:18, Jesus as the only-begotten God, supported by the oldest manuscripts the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75.
With Strong Concordance of the Bible words from the original Greek. There are various readings but not described as the original wordings.

Jhn 1:18  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2 the only G3439  begotten G3439  God G2316  who is  R3 in the bosom G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has explained G1834  Him.

Who cares what ANY denomination was taught or wasn't taught? Did Christ not specifically instruct us that He is The ONLY Teacher?

John 1:18 (KJV) No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

First, if we read the above passage as it is written, it should be self-evident that Jesus, who was a man (human) never saw God at any time. It also logically follows that Christ, the "only begotten Son" of the Father is the one declaring Father to the world, throughout all of Scripture (e.g. see: Exodus 23:20-23 and John 14:6). Hence one of Christ's many titles: "The Word OF God".

What does the word "begotten" mean? It means "to be brought into existence". In the case of humans, it would be through procreation. In the case of God, Who obviously is not human, it would be through creation (there is no "queen of heaven" - Jer. 44:17-25).

Secondly, if we look at the original Greek word "μονογενὴς" (monogenēs), which has been translated into English "the only begotten", it has a deeper meaning, namely: "the only one of its kind" or "unique", which is a perfect description of how Christ was created.

Christ is The ONLY spiritual-Being/Angel/Soul that God alone created. Christ was literally the very beginning of the creation of God (Rev. 3:14); the firstborn of every creature (Col. 1:15).

After God created Christ, everyone and everything else was a collaborative effort by God and Christ, with God teaching Christ everything in the process.

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He (God) hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He (God) made the worlds;
1:3 Who (Christ) being the brightness of [His - God's] glory, and the express image of His (God's) person, and upholding all things by The Word of His (God's) power, when he (Christ) had by himself purged our sins, (Christ) sat down on the right hand of His (God's) Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath BY INHERITANCE (as the firstborn/first-created Son of God) obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

So John 1:18 isn't telling us anything different than the rest of Scripture: God created Christ FIRST, which is why Christ is The Great Prince and Heir to God's Throne. It certainly isn't declaring that "Jesus is God".

[A Freeman]

More from Christ, spoken through the mouth of Jesus, about His (Christ's) TRUE Father-Son relationship with Father (God).

John 17
17:1 These words spoke Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son (Christ), that Thy Son also may glorify Thee:
17:2 As Thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give Eternal Life to as many as Thou hast given him.
17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, and Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast sent.
17:4 I have glorified Thee on the Earth: I have finished the work which Thou GAVEST me to do.
17:5 And now, O Father, glorify Thou me with Thine Own self with the glory which I had WITH Thee BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
17:6 I have manifested Thy name unto the men which Thou gavest me out of the world: Thine they were, and Thou GAVEST them me; and they have kept Thy Word.
17:7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever Thou hast GIVEN me are of Thee.
17:8 For I have given unto them the Words which Thou GAVEST me; and they have received [them], and have known surely that I came out FROM Thee, and they have believed that Thou didst send me.
17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which Thou hast GIVEN me; for they are Thine.
17:10 And all mine are Thine, and Thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to Thee. Holy Father, keep through Thine own name those whom Thou hast GIVEN me, that they may be one, as We [are].
17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Thy name: those that Thou GAVEST me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the Son of Perdition; that the Scripture might be fulfilled.
17:13 And now come I to Thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my Joy fulfilled in themselves.
17:14 I have given them Thy Word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:15 I pray not that Thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldest keep them from the evil (one - Lucifer) [in the world].
17:16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17:17 Sanctify them through Thy Truth: Thy Word is Truth.
17:18 As Thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
17:19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the Truth.
17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe me through their word;
17:21 That they all may be one; as Thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent me.
17:22 And the glory which Thou GAVEST me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are One:
17:23 I in them, and Thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved me.
17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom Thou hast GIVEN me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my Glory, which Thou hast given me: for Thou lovedst me BEFORE the foundation of the world.
17:25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known Thee: but I know Thee, and these have known that Thou hast sent me.
17:26 And I have declared unto them Thy identity, and will declare [it]: that the love wherewith Thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

Compare the above, where Christ repeatedly tells us Father (God) gave him (Christ) his (Christ's) disciples and followers, to the following verses, which make it crystal clear that everyone (including Christ) and everything belongs to Father (God), and thus is His (God's) to give.

Exod. 9:29; 19:5; Deut. 10:14; Josh. 3:11; Ps. 24:1; 47:2; 50:12; 89:11; Hagg. 2:8; Zech. 14:9; 1 Cor. 10:26-28; Sura 2:255; 3:189; 16:52; 20:6; 23:88-89; 42:4; 42:53

Exodus 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My Covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto Me above all people: for all the earth [is] Mine:

Deuteronomy 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens [is] the "I AM"'s thy God, the earth [also], with all that therein [is].

When one gives something to another, it necessarily means that the receiver of the gift didn't possess the gift before it was delivered to them by the giver.

[onewithhim]

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!

Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.

I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)

[Capbook]

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!

Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.

I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)

You just always makes opinion, why can't you post here your Bible verse of John 8:58 as evidence?

[onewithhim]

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!

Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.

I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)

You just always makes opinion, why can't you post here your Bible verse of John 8:58 as evidence?

John 8:58 has been quoted many times. There has been a thorough discussion on that verse.