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The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -


IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):


1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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A Freeman wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 6:09 am Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):


1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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Capbook wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 2:14 am
A Freeman wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 6:09 am Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):


1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.
Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?
Why would anyone need a man-made lexicon to tell us Who God is?

Why not seek that answer from God Himself? Is God's Word somehow insufficient?

There isn't one single verse in all of Scripture where we are told that Jesus is/was God, nor did Jesus ever make that claim.

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Acts 17:22-31
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of [the court at] Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your gods that ye worship, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you.
17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the Earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
17:28 For by Him we live, and move, and have our Being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we (our Beings) are also His offspring.
17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God blinked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 Because He hath appointed a Day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom He hath ordained (John 5:22); [whereof] He hath given assurance unto all [men], in that He (God) hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead (Acts 4:10-12).

The above passage confirms that Father (God) created everything, including Prince Michael/Christ and that Father raised Jesus from the dead. It does NOT say that Jesus is a deity, nor that Jesus is/was God, nor does it dispute that Father (God) is a Spritual-Being, as Christ-Jesus told us (John 4:24).

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.

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Romans 1:18-23
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth as unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God hath showed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [Him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (Gen. 6:5), and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Our invisible, all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present Creator and heavenly Father, Who is The Head of us ALL, can NEVER be a man, nor the Son of Man.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] NOT a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Jesus was the mortal human son, born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judaea, and referred to himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as "the Son of Man", something God said He could NEVER be.

So we have confirmation from both God and from Jesus that JESUS WAS NOT GOD.

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Colossians 2:8-9
2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world*, and not after Christ.
2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily**.

*Which make the Commandments of God of no effect, e.g. the man-made/unscriptural 3=1 "trinity" and/or the "Jesus is God" doctrines, which break the First and Most Important Commandment (Exod. 20:3-6; Mark 12:29-30).


**Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who GAVE power to Christ-Jesus? God.

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A Freeman wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 6:11 pm Acts 17:22-31
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of [the court at] Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your gods that ye worship, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you.
17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the Earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
17:28 For by Him we live, and move, and have our Being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we (our Beings) are also His offspring.
17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God blinked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 Because He hath appointed a Day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom He hath ordained (John 5:22); [whereof] He hath given assurance unto all [men], in that He (God) hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead (Acts 4:10-12).

The above passage confirms that Father (God) created everything, including Prince Michael/Christ and that Father raised Jesus from the dead. It does NOT say that Jesus is a deity, nor that Jesus is/was God, nor does it dispute that Father (God) is a Spritual-Being, as Christ-Jesus told us (John 4:24).

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.

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Romans 1:18-23
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth as unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God hath showed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [Him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (Gen. 6:5), and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Our invisible, all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present Creator and heavenly Father, Who is The Head of us ALL, can NEVER be a man, nor the Son of Man.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] NOT a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Jesus was the mortal human son, born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judaea, and referred to himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as "the Son of Man", something God said He could NEVER be.

So we have confirmation from both God and from Jesus that JESUS WAS NOT GOD.

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Colossians 2:8-9
2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world*, and not after Christ.
2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily**.

*Which make the Commandments of God of no effect, e.g. the man-made/unscriptural 3=1 "trinity" and/or the "Jesus is God" doctrines, which break the First and Most Important Commandment (Exod. 20:3-6; Mark 12:29-30).


**Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who GAVE power to Christ-Jesus? God.
Through my initial reading, I see you did not address your OP about "Godhead" except Col 2:8-9 which I believe was misundertood. See What NRSV renders it, Col 2:8-10. Now it is clear that the "human tradition" is different of that to Christ, for in Him the "divine nature" (quality in NWT) dwells bodily.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NRSV

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A Freeman wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 5:54 am Excerpt below from:

In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -


IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Your post digs into some weighty theological ground, and I appreciate the effort to anchor it in Scripture. Your argument that God is the singular, eternal One, distinct from a trinity, and that Christ, as Michael, is His firstborn creation, is a bold take. It’s clear you’re wrestling with big questions about God’s nature and Christ’s role, using passages like John 1:1-2, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 to build your case. The idea that God’s creation of Michael marks the start of time and language is a fascinating angle—it frames God’s eternal existence against the beginning of relational dynamics.

I see the logic in emphasizing Christ as a created being, distinct from the Father, especially with your focus on terms like “firstborn” and “image.” It highlights a clear hierarchy, with God as the ultimate authority and Christ as His obedient Son, as you point out in John 5:19. That said, I’d push back a bit: the phrase “the Word was God” in John 1:1 suggests a deeper unity between the Word and God’s essence, which some might see as challenging the idea of Christ as solely a creature. Historically, early church councils grappled with these tensions, trying to balance Christ’s divinity and subordination without slipping into trinitarian or unitarian extremes. It’s a tough balance, and your view leans hard into a non-trinitarian reading, which is worth exploring but raises questions about Christ’s role in redemption and worship.

Your point about God’s invisibility versus Jesus’ visibility is compelling—it underscores the distinction between the Father and the incarnated Son, born of Mary. Yet, I wonder if this risks oversimplifying the mystery of the incarnation, where Christ embodies both human and divine. Philippians 2:6-7: “being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing.” This suggests a complexity that’s hard to pin down, which is why debates about Christology have raged for centuries.

Your post challenges us to think deeply, and while I don’t fully align with your conclusions, I respect the conviction behind them. What’s next in your study—any other passages shaping your view?

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Capbook wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 4:49 am
A Freeman wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 6:11 pm Acts 17:22-31
17:22 Then Paul stood in the midst of [the court at] Mars' hill, and said, [Ye] men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your gods that ye worship, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, Him declare I unto you.
17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that He is Lord of heaven and Earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
17:25 Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though He needed any thing, seeing He giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the Earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after Him, and find Him, though He be not far from every one of us:
17:28 For by Him we live, and move, and have our Being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we (our Beings) are also His offspring.
17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
17:30 And the times of this ignorance God blinked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
17:31 Because He hath appointed a Day, in the which He will judge the world in righteousness by [that] man whom He hath ordained (John 5:22); [whereof] He hath given assurance unto all [men], in that He (God) hath raised him (Jesus) from the dead (Acts 4:10-12).

The above passage confirms that Father (God) created everything, including Prince Michael/Christ and that Father raised Jesus from the dead. It does NOT say that Jesus is a deity, nor that Jesus is/was God, nor does it dispute that Father (God) is a Spritual-Being, as Christ-Jesus told us (John 4:24).

John 4:24 God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship [Him] with their spirit (Being) and in Truth.

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Romans 1:18-23
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all unGodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the Truth as unrighteousness;
1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest to them; for God hath showed [it] unto them.
1:20 For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [Him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations (Gen. 6:5), and their foolish heart was darkened.
1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Our invisible, all-knowing, all-powerful, ever-present Creator and heavenly Father, Who is The Head of us ALL, can NEVER be a man, nor the Son of Man.

Numbers 23:19 God [is] NOT a man, that He should lie; neither the son of man, that He should repent: hath He said, and shall He not do [it]? or hath He spoken, and shall He not make it good?

Jesus was the mortal human son, born of the virgin Mary in Bethlehem of Judaea, and referred to himself over 80 times in the Gospel accounts as "the Son of Man", something God said He could NEVER be.

So we have confirmation from both God and from Jesus that JESUS WAS NOT GOD.

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Colossians 2:8-9
2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world*, and not after Christ.
2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily**.

*Which make the Commandments of God of no effect, e.g. the man-made/unscriptural 3=1 "trinity" and/or the "Jesus is God" doctrines, which break the First and Most Important Commandment (Exod. 20:3-6; Mark 12:29-30).


**Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, All power is GIVEN unto me in heaven and in earth.

Who GAVE power to Christ-Jesus? God.
Through my initial reading, I see you did not address your OP about "Godhead" except Col 2:8-9 which I believe was misundertood. See What NRSV renders it, Col 2:8-10. Now it is clear that the "human tradition" is different of that to Christ, for in Him the "divine nature" (quality in NWT) dwells bodily.

8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,
NRSV
The "Divine nature" is in ALL of God's Children. That doesn't make any of us The Deity (i.e. God, The Supreme Being, The Most High).

1 John 3:7-10
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we choose to obey Father (God), then we are His Children. If instead we choose to continue listening to and obeying Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil), then we are his children.

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Also, for your information, please see the following excerpt from:
https://biblehubverse.com/what-is-wrong ... rsv-bible/

The NRSV Bible, or the New Revised Standard Version Bible, has been a subject of criticism and concern among readers and scholars alike. While it remains a popular Bible translation, there are apparent problems with the NRSV Bible that have caught people’s attention.

In this article, we will explore the translation issues, criticisms of scholars and readers, and identified shortcomings of the NRSV Bible. We aim to gain a deeper understanding of what is wrong with this Bible translation.
Key Takeaways

The NRSV Bible faces several criticisms from readers and scholars alike
Translation issues have been identified in the NRSV Bible
Critics have raised concerns about the accuracy and reliability of the translation
Some readers have identified specific shortcomings and drawbacks of the NRSV Bible
This article aims to explore, identify, and understand the problems with the NRSV Bible

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As long as you ignore the fact that nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that He is sending Himself, nor does Jesus ever claim to be God, you will continue to see everything upside down and backwards, i.e. through human eyes that want to cling to human traditions and fabricated doctrines found nowhere in Scripture.

Christ plainly stated that He is the Son OF God over 50 times in the Gospel accounts. A Son of God is very obviously the created offspring of The Father, and NOT The Father Himself.

Jesus, the human Christ incarnated, plainly stated over 50 times in the Gospel accounts that he was the "Son of Man", i.e. a human -- something God can NEVER be.

Christ plainly stated over 50 times in the Gospel accounts that He was SENT by God, as well as telling us this through the mouth of Jesus:

John 7:16-17
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

Are you starting to see how absolutely ridiculous and unscriptural the notion that "Jesus is God" really is? If Jesus was God, as you falsely claim, then why would Jesus not be speaking of himself?

Of course Jesus also said this:

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

and this:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

"Greater than" can NEVER mean "equal to", so we have it straight from the mouth of Jesus that JESUS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD, i.e. JESUS IS/WAS NOT GOD.

We also have Jesus talking about, giving all of the praise to, and praying to the FATHER ALONE, in almost 200 verses in the Gospel accounts. Jesus did NOT pray to some 3=1 "trinity", nor did he pray to himself, nor did he instruct anyone else to pray to him, which very obviously would have broken the First and Most Important COMMANDment.

And Jesus also said this -- not just about the "Jews" that had him murdered -- but also to future "Christians" who falsely claim that Christ didn't proceed forth FROM God, nor did Christ send Himself, but that it was His Father and His God that sent Christ.

King of kings' Bible - John 8:33-36 (KJV John 8:42-45)
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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The Godhead, simply explained (again), where FATHER (GOD) IS THE HEAD OF EVERYONE, INCLUDING CHRIST:-

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

And with regard to "the fullness of the Godhead" dwelling in Christ that too is explained in the Gospel accounts.

John 3:34-35
3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the Truth of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure [unto him].
3:35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand.

Which Christ further explained:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the Truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 14:16-18
14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
14:17 [Even] the Spirit of Truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

The Comforter/Holy Spirit is our connection with Father (God). That is Christ's Job, which He explained in the verses above, and which is the reason Christ is referred to as "The High-Priest forever", and the only mediator between God and men, and the "Good Shepherd", who guides the sheep and keeps them in The Way. And the formula for receiving the Holy Spirit is based upon our receptiveness to it, i.e. our obedience to Father's Commands.

Acts 5:29-32
5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
5:31 Him hath God exalted with His right hand [to be] a Prince and a Saviour*, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
5:32 And we are His witnesses of these things; and [so is] also the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey Him.

*Prince Michael, The One Whom God anointed to be our King, Master/Teacher, High-Priest, Good Shepherd and the One and Only Mediator between God and men (The Messiah/Christ, i.e. "The Anointed One"). And "Jesus", which is a name and a title, means "YHWH Saves", which is usually expressed simply as "Saviour".

Prince Michael/Christ always obeys His Father and His God, setting THE Example (John 14:6) for the rest of us.

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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armchairscholar wrote: Wed May 07, 2025 6:29 am
A Freeman wrote: Mon May 05, 2025 5:54 am Excerpt below from:

In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -


IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Your post digs into some weighty theological ground, and I appreciate the effort to anchor it in Scripture. Your argument that God is the singular, eternal One, distinct from a trinity, and that Christ, as Michael, is His firstborn creation, is a bold take. It’s clear you’re wrestling with big questions about God’s nature and Christ’s role, using passages like John 1:1-2, Colossians 1:15, and Revelation 3:14 to build your case. The idea that God’s creation of Michael marks the start of time and language is a fascinating angle—it frames God’s eternal existence against the beginning of relational dynamics.

I see the logic in emphasizing Christ as a created being, distinct from the Father, especially with your focus on terms like “firstborn” and “image.” It highlights a clear hierarchy, with God as the ultimate authority and Christ as His obedient Son, as you point out in John 5:19. That said, I’d push back a bit: the phrase “the Word was God” in John 1:1 suggests a deeper unity between the Word and God’s essence, which some might see as challenging the idea of Christ as solely a creature. Historically, early church councils grappled with these tensions, trying to balance Christ’s divinity and subordination without slipping into trinitarian or unitarian extremes. It’s a tough balance, and your view leans hard into a non-trinitarian reading, which is worth exploring but raises questions about Christ’s role in redemption and worship.
Thank-you. With regard to "the Word was God", many (if not most) assume that it is referencing "the Word of God made flesh" (John 1:14), which is only one of at least four possibilities.

a) The Word of the God came to the Prophets/God's Messengers by vision/dream, i.e. telepathically.

b) The Word of the God was verbally spoken by the Prophets (God's Messengers).

c) The Word of the "I AM" was recorded in writing by the Prophets/God's Messengers (including the Disciples and Apostles), in what we refer to as the Bible (the written Word of God).

d) The Word of the "I AM" was also MADE into a flesh and blood example for us (The Way - John 14:6), in the form of the human+Being Jesus+Christ.

So regardless of whether the Word of God (Truth) was conveyed telepathically, or spoken, or written, or provided in a flesh and blood example, it remains the Word of God (Truth).

Bearing this in mind, and thinking about what John 1:1-2 is actually saying (and what it isn't specifically saying), there are several insurmountable obstacles with concluding it is allegedly telling us that Jesus is/was God. First and foremost, that specific wording is absent from the passage.

And secondly, BEFORE the beginning, there would have been no need for language (the Word, in any form) as there was no one to communicate with God.

We also can "test" to see which or how many of these possibilities actually makes sense, simply by substituting the four different forms in which the Word was delivered from God to us listed above into John 1:1. The results would read as follows:-

In [the] beginning was the vision/dream, and the vision/dream was with THE God, and the vision/dream was God.

In [the] beginning was the spoken Word, and the spoken Word was with THE God, and the spoken Word was God.

In [the] beginning was the Bible, and the Bible was with THE God, and God was the Bible.

In [the] beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with THE God, and Jesus was God.

Hopefully the fundamental flaw in these different forms of an illicit substitution (which is a non-sequitur logical fallacy) is self-evident, but just in case it isn't, please consider the following:-

1) Clearly God was NOT a vision, even if that vision came from Him. It is the TRUTH of that vision that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

2) Clearly God was NOT a verbal message, even if that verbal message was His Word, being delivered by His Messengers. It was the TRUTH contained within that verbal message that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

3) Clearly God was NOT a book, even if that book was the Bible. It is the TRUTH contained within the Bible that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

4) It therefore LOGICALLY follows that God was NOT Jesus, even if Jesus was the flesh and blood example God gave us. It was the TRUTH that Jesus spoke and did that was, since the beginning, with God and was God, because God IS the TRUTH and, unlike satan and humans, God cannot lie.

5) Further, how could anyone be WITH someone at the same time they were that someone? No one claims some part of them was “with them” (my head was with me) nor would anyone claim to be with themselves (I was with me), except in jest.

6) There is also a tense problem (with assuming that "the Word" in John 1:1 is speaking about Jesus) that is being ignored, which likewise proves the illicit substitution of “Jesus” for "the Word" in that verse simply does NOT work. The last phrase of the verse is as follows:

“...and the Word WAS God” (or “...Jesus WAS God” – past tense).

IF Jesus actually IS God, then ALL of the verb tenses in John 1:1 should be present tense, NOT past tense. But that is NOT what it actually says, is it? "Jesus WAS God", is clearly PAST TENSE.

It seems noteworthy that "tense blindness" is not only an issue in John 1:1, but in the other verse that is routinely quote as alleged evidence that Jesus allegedly claimed to be God: John 8:58 KJV (John 8:49 King of kings' Bible).

And

7) If we substitute the "trinity" formula into John 1:1, it becomes even more ridiculous:

John 1:1 In [the] beginning was the Son, and the Son was with THE Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, and the Son was the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.

Which should leave no reasonable doubt in any rationally-minded human+Being that Jesus is NOT God, which is why Jesus never made that claim.

It's understood that this is a lengthy explanation, but it's meant to thoroughly explain why the assumptions made by most Christians about what John 1:1 means are totally illogical, and would contradict hundreds of other verses straight out of the mouth of Jesus, as well as contradicting previous Scripture. All John 1:1-2 is actually telling us is that The Word/Truth has always been with God.

John 1:1-2
1:1 In the Beginning was the Word (Truth), and the Word/Truth was with God (NOT with Lucifer/Satan the Devil/Liar), and the Word/Truth was God.
1:2 The same was in the Beginning WITH God.

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