The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -


IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:27 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 2:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 9:00 pm
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Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!
Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.
I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)
You just always makes opinion, why can't you post here your Bible verse of John 8:58 as evidence?
John 8:58 has been quoted many times. There has been a thorough discussion on that verse.
Yes, but I believe the thorough discussion from your side were almost based from paraphrase translations.
See below for your ready reference.

Jhn 8:58 יהושע said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Aḇraham came to be, I am.”e Footnote: eSee also Jhn 1:1, Jhn 6:62, Jhn 17:5, Heb 11:26

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:27 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 2:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 9:00 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat May 17, 2025 4:23 am

Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.
I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)
You just always makes opinion, why can't you post here your Bible verse of John 8:58 as evidence?
John 8:58 has been quoted many times. There has been a thorough discussion on that verse.
Yes, but I believe the thorough discussion from your side were almost based from paraphrase translations.
See below for your ready reference.

Jhn 8:58 יהושע said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Aḇraham came to be, I am.”e Footnote: eSee also Jhn 1:1, Jhn 6:62, Jhn 17:5, Heb 11:26
THAT is paraphrased, as is John 1:1. The other verses don't say anything about Jesus being "I Am" or I Will, as some translations have it. You are misleading people, and that need not be the case, because we have discussed "I Am" (John 8:58) thoroughly in the past. Jesus was not quoting from Exodus 3:14. He spoke good proper Greek, not the mangled mess that many translators have made. Jesus simply said: "Before Abraham came to be, I existed."

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Re: The Godhead, Correctly Explained

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2025 1:30 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:37 am
onewithhim wrote: Fri Jun 06, 2025 8:27 pm
Capbook wrote: Thu May 22, 2025 2:06 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun May 18, 2025 9:00 pm
I have several times presented what I believe is the word-for-word translation of the text. (And I didn't change the topic. You like to cast aspersions at JWs, don't you, when your arguments fall flat?)
You just always makes opinion, why can't you post here your Bible verse of John 8:58 as evidence?
John 8:58 has been quoted many times. There has been a thorough discussion on that verse.
Yes, but I believe the thorough discussion from your side were almost based from paraphrase translations.
See below for your ready reference.

Jhn 8:58 יהושע said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Aḇraham came to be, I am.”e Footnote: eSee also Jhn 1:1, Jhn 6:62, Jhn 17:5, Heb 11:26
THAT is paraphrased, as is John 1:1. The other verses don't say anything about Jesus being "I Am" or I Will, as some translations have it. You are misleading people, and that need not be the case, because we have discussed "I Am" (John 8:58) thoroughly in the past. Jesus was not quoting from Exodus 3:14. He spoke good proper Greek, not the mangled mess that many translators have made. Jesus simply said: "Before Abraham came to be, I existed."
You may have thoroughly discussed the "I am" in John 8:58 but you may not have it compared to the word in Greek of "I am" in the Old Testament of Ex 3:14. The word "I am" have the same Strong No. G1510, in Greek "eimi." in the OT and NT Greek Septuagint.
This proves that Jesus was quoting the same Greek word "eimi" as "I am" in Ex 3:14.
And also proves Jesus divine nature as God.

(Westcott and Hort+) Jhn 8:58 ειπεν G3004 V-2AAI-3S  αυτοις G846 P-DPM  ιησους G2424 N-NSM  αμην G281 HEB  αμην G281 HEB  λεγω G3004 V-PAI-1S  υμιν G4771 P-2DP  πριν G4250 ADV  αβρααμ G11 N-PRI  γενεσθαι G1096 V-2ADN  εγω G1473 P-1NS  ειμι G1510 V-PAI-1S 

(NASB+) Jhn 8:58 Jesus G2424  said G3004  to them, “Truly G281 , truly G281  I say G3004  to you, before G4250  Abraham G11 N1 was born G1096 ,  N2 R1 I am G1510 .”

(KJV+)Jhn 8:58 Jesus G2424  said G2036  unto them, G846  Verily, G281  verily, G281  I say G3004  unto you, G5213  Before G4250  Abraham G11  was, G1096  I G1473  am. G1510

(Greek Septuagint+) Exo 3:14 και G2532 CONJ  ειπεν V-AAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  προς G4314 PREP  μωυσην N-ASM  εγω G1473 P-NS  ειμι G1510 V-PAI-1S  ο G3588 T-NSM  ων G1510 V-PAPNS  και G2532 CONJ  ειπεν V-AAI-3S  ουτως G3778 ADV  ερεις V-FAI-2S  τοις G3588 T-DPM  υιοις G5207 N-DPM  ισραηλ G2474 N-PRI  ο G3588 T-NSM  ων G1510 V-PAPNS  απεσταλκεν G649 V-RAI-3S  με G1473 P-AS  προς G4314 PREP  υμας G4771 P-AP 

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