The Godhead, Correctly Explained

[A Freeman]

Excerpt below from:

In The Beginning Was The Word

Before the beginning of time, before there was language – both of which God created – God exists. Please note well the correct use of the word “exists”, which is a present-tense verb because God has no beginning, nor any end.

Psalm 90:2 BEFORE the mountains were brought forth, or ever Thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, Thou [art] God.

God is the self-existing ONE (Exod. 3:14; Deut. 6:4; Zech. 14:9; Mark 12:29), NOT a “trinity”. One actually means one; it does NOT mean 3=1 or 1=3 or anything other than one. There is only ONE Almighty God, Who is The Most High (Psalm 57:2; Luke 1:32-35; Sura 2:255), i.e. greater than ALL (John 10:29), including Christ (John 14:28).

Before God created anyone or anything, God exists. Before time began there would have been no need for the Word (communication) in any form, as there was no one else with which to communicate.

In the Beginning

John 1:1-2 KJV
1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The first creation of God was His Firstborn/Eldest Son Michael (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), known here on Earth by His TITLE: Christ.

Colossians 1:12-15
1:12 GIVING THANKS UNTO THE FATHER, Which hath made us meet to be sharers of the inheritance of the holy people in Light:
1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated [us] into The Kingdom of His dear Son:
1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God, the FIRSTBORN of every CREATURE*:

*Note Well: By Definition -

IMAGE = LIKENESS. The Hebrew name “Micha-El” literally means “Who is LIKE God?”. Like Michael, we (the spiritual-Beings/Souls) were made in God’s IMAGE/LIKENESS, but we certainly are NOT God the Father, and neither is anyone else, including Christ (Matt. 23:9; Sura 33:40).

INVISIBLE = NOT VISIBLE. No one has ever seen God (John 1:18; John 5:37), but thousands upon thousands saw Jesus, the human son of the virgin Mary, into whom Prince Michael/Christ was incarnated.

FIRSTBORN = THE FIRST CREATED/THE FIRST TO BE BROUGHT INTO EXISTENCE.

CREATURE = SOME LIVING THING THAT WAS CREATED.

Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the community of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness (Prince Michael/Christ - Rev. 1:5), THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD;

The moment that God created Michael, God became known as Father (Matt. 6:9), and Michael became His Son (yes, a true Father-Son relationship – 1 John 2:22). And it was in that moment when both time and language began.

After God created Michael, God showed Michael everything, creating everyone and everything else by and for Michael (Col. 1:16).

Hebrews 1:1-4
1:1 God, Who at sundry times and in diverse manners spoke in time past unto the fathers by the Prophets,
1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [His] Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds;
1:3 Who being the brightness of [His] glory, and the express IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by The Word of His power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of His Majesty on high;
1:4 Being MADE so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 5:19-20
5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do NOTHING of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth him all things that Himself doeth: and He will show him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.

[A Freeman]

Your point about God’s invisibility versus Jesus’ visibility is compelling—it underscores the distinction between the Father and the incarnated Son, born of Mary. Yet, I wonder if this risks oversimplifying the mystery of the incarnation, where Christ embodies both human and divine. Philippians 2:6-7: “being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing.” This suggests a complexity that’s hard to pin down, which is why debates about Christology have raged for centuries.

Your post challenges us to think deeply, and while I don’t fully align with your conclusions, I respect the conviction behind them. What’s next in your study—any other passages shaping your view?

There have been ~400 verses already shared that should make it crystal clear that Jesus, the human son of Mary, was not, nor presently is God.

However, since you've brought up Philippians 2:6-7, which is a very obvious mistranslations in most translations/versions of the Bible, it would be worth looking at that passage in context; specifically Philippians 2:5-11.

Philippians 2:5-11 (KJV)
2:5 LET THIS MIND BE IN YOU, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the FORM of God, thought (it) not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 BUT MADE HIMSELF OF NO REPUTATION, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, HE HUMBLED HIMSELF, AND BECAME OBEDIENT unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 WHEREFORE GOD ALSO HATH HIGHLY EXALTED HIM, and GIVEN him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, TO THE GLORY OF GOD THE FATHER.

Please see the original Greek for Philippians 2:6 at the link below:

https://biblehub.com/text/philippians/2-6.htm

The Greek word ἁρπαγμὸν (“harpagmos”) means “robbery”, i.e. “something that is wrongfully/forcefully seized”. It doesn’t mean “a thing to be grasped” or as "it robbery" as it has been intentionally and very badly mistranslated.

Further, if one looks at the original Greek text, the word “it” has been deceitfully inserted in all of the mistranslations, which changes the meaning of the verse 180 degrees, thereby rendering the entire passage self-contradictory and calling Christ a liar.

Christ said He was NOT equal to God, and could NEVER be equal to God, because His God and Father is THE MOST HIGH and thus is GREATER than Christ (John 14:28), Greater than the one whom God sent (John 13:16), and GREATER than ALL (John 10:29).

GREATER THAN CAN NEVER MEAN EQUAL TO, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES.

So how could someone believe that Paul, a primary school student of Christ, would allegedly contradict Christ? And, if Paul did that (which Paul didn't do), why would anyone believe what the primary school student Paul said over what THE Teacher (Christ) said?

Further, how would it be humble, obedient, and making oneself of no reputation to claim to be equal to God? It obviously wouldn't, which is why a direct and correct translation of Philippians 2:6 would be as follows:

Philippians 2:6 Who, existing in the image of God, did NOT consider robbery to be equal with God.

It should be self-evident (obvious) that with the correct translation shown above, Philippians 2:6 is not only in perfect agreement with its context – where Christ is a HUMBLE servant of God, obedient to God only, which is why God exalted Christ and made Christ our Example (see Philippians 2:5 and ]John 14:6).

If we are to be of the same mind as Christ-Jesus, should we be humble servants, or arrogantly proclaim to be equal to God, something that Christ Himself NEVER claimed to be?

[A Freeman]

And from the King of kings' Bible:-

Philippians 2:5-11
2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
2:6 Who, being in the likeness of God, thought it not correct to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made into the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of the Saviour every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in Earth, and [things] under the earth;
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Christ Jesus [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Compare with:

Hebrews 5:5-11
5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made The High Priest; but He that said unto him, Thou art My Son, to day have I begotten (created) thee.
5:6 As He saith also in another [place], Thou [art] a Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto Him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;
5:8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
5:9 And being MADE perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
5:10 Called by God an High Priest after the order of Melchizedek.
5:11 Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.

[onewithhim]

Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

[Capbook]

Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

[onewithhim]

Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

[Capbook]

Directly from Scripture, through hundreds and hundreds of verses, we see the following concerning the Godhead:

God, our heavenly Father, Whose Name is "I AM" (YHWH in Hebrew) is The One True God (Allah), aka "The Most High God"

God's First Creation was His Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son Michael, whom God anointed to be our King and Teacher. Hence Michael's designation as "The Great Prince" (Daniel 12:1), and the TITLE of The Messiah/Christ ("The Anointed One").

After Father (God) created Prince Michael/Christ, Father created everyone and everything else for and by/through Prince Michael/Christ, teaching Prince Michael everything in the process.

This is why Father (God) has anointed and appointed Prince Michael/Christ to be HEIR of all things, and why Father has given Prince Michael/Christ all of the power required to govern not just this tiny little prison planet (Earth) but the rest of the universe as well. It is also why the rest of us are subservient to Prince Michael/Christ, whom Father (God) clearly chose to be in His Position, which is why Father created Prince Michael/Christ FIRST.

The Godhead, simply explained (God is THE Head of us all):

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

[Capbook]

The "Divine nature" is in ALL of God's Children. That doesn't make any of us The Deity (i.e. God, The Supreme Being, The Most High).

1 John 3:7-10
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we choose to obey Father (God), then we are His Children. If instead we choose to continue listening to and obeying Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil), then we are his children.

I don't see in your bolded verse 1 John 3:9 mentioned the "divine nature" of the Father in Acts 17:29.
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Also, for your information, please see the following excerpt from:
https://biblehubverse.com/what-is-wrong ... rsv-bible/

The NRSV Bible, or the New Revised Standard Version Bible, has been a subject of criticism and concern among readers and scholars alike. While it remains a popular Bible translation, there are apparent problems with the NRSV Bible that have caught people’s attention.

In this article, we will explore the translation issues, criticisms of scholars and readers, and identified shortcomings of the NRSV Bible. We aim to gain a deeper understanding of what is wrong with this Bible translation.
Key Takeaways

The NRSV Bible faces several criticisms from readers and scholars alike
Translation issues have been identified in the NRSV Bible
Critics have raised concerns about the accuracy and reliability of the translation
Some readers have identified specific shortcomings and drawbacks of the NRSV Bible
This article aims to explore, identify, and understand the problems with the NRSV Bible

I'm not fond of quoting from paraphrase translation, I just post it here to have a better understanding of the verse though some original Bible words were changed. I mostly quote from literal word for word translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, the NASB+ with Strong Concordance.

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As long as you ignore the fact that nowhere in the Bible does God tell us that He is sending Himself, nor does Jesus ever claim to be God, you will continue to see everything upside down and backwards, i.e. through human eyes that want to cling to human traditions and fabricated doctrines found nowhere in Scripture.

Christ plainly stated that He is the Son OF God over 50 times in the Gospel accounts. A Son of God is very obviously the created offspring of The Father, and NOT The Father Himself.

Jesus, the human Christ incarnated, plainly stated over 50 times in the Gospel accounts that he was the "Son of Man", i.e. a human -- something God can NEVER be.

Christ plainly stated over 50 times in the Gospel accounts that He was SENT by God, as well as telling us this through the mouth of Jesus:

I may present you this simple logic;
1. Jesus as the "Son of man" as His mother is human Mary. Is He man or not?
2. Jesus as the "Son of God" as His Father is God. Is He God or not? Why the honest and logical answer to the first question cannot be applied to the second one? Why and explain.

John 7:16-17
7:16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but His that sent me.
7:17 If any man will do His will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

Are you starting to see how absolutely ridiculous and unscriptural the notion that "Jesus is God" really is? If Jesus was God, as you falsely claim, then why would Jesus not be speaking of himself?

If you answer my simple logic honestly and logically about Jesus being the "Son of God" as His Father is God, why He cannot be God, as dog bears dog, cat bears cat. And from the acknowledgement of Jesus Himself that He is both the "Son of man" and "Son of God" in Mat 26:62-63.

Of course Jesus also said this:

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; NEITHER HE THAT IS SENT GREATER THAN HE THAT SENT HIM.

and this:

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come [again] unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

"Greater than" can NEVER mean "equal to", so we have it straight from the mouth of Jesus that JESUS IS NOT EQUAL TO GOD, i.e. JESUS IS/WAS NOT GOD.

Yes, the Father is greater, higher in rank or position that is described as "relational subordination". Though they have different roles in saving mankind that does not mean that they are not one in the nature of being God (Divine nature)
Regarding equality, do Jesus words are wrong when He says, "All the Father had are mine." (John 16:15)

We also have Jesus talking about, giving all of the praise to, and praying to the FATHER ALONE, in almost 200 verses in the Gospel accounts. Jesus did NOT pray to some 3=1 "trinity", nor did he pray to himself, nor did he instruct anyone else to pray to him, which very obviously would have broken the First and Most Important COMMANDment.

Stephen prayed to Jesus. (Acts 7:59) Do the Bible said that Stephen commit sin by praying to Jesus rather than the Father?

And Jesus also said this -- not just about the "Jews" that had him murdered -- but also to future "Christians" who falsely claim that Christ didn't proceed forth FROM God, nor did Christ send Himself, but that it was His Father and His God that sent Christ.

King of kings' Bible - John 8:33-36 (KJV John 8:42-45)
8:33 Jesus said unto them, IF God WERE your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but He sent me.
8:34 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my Word.
8:35 Ye are of [YOUR] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the Truth, because there is no Truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father (inventor) of it.
8:36 And because I tell [you] the Truth, ye believe me not.

I believe you quote verses from paraphrase translations, a completely different from a literal word for word Bible translations.(NASB)

John 8:33-36
33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's offspring, and have never yet been enslaved to anyone; how is it that You say, 'You shall become free'?"
34 Jesus answered them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin.
35 "And the slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
36 "If therefore the Son shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.
NASB

[onewithhim]

Can you provide me from Bible lexicon your definition of Godhead?

If you based your faith from paraphrased Bible translations, I may believe you cannot find the three verses in the Bible that mentioned "Godhead" specially on KJV. These three verses carry the word "Godhead" and its definition, translated by NWT but "words used" cannot find in the Bible's original language (Greek) in the NT. I will focus my point just based on your OP.

In NWT, the text speaks about the Father's nature as "divine being." (Acts 17:9)
Again in the NWT, the verse speaks about the Father's nature as "Godship. (Rom 1:20)
While in Col 2:9, still in NWT, it said, it is in Jesus that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.
I believe, even in this paraphrase Bible translation clearly describe Jesus in the nature of being God.

(NWT) Col 2:8-9)  Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ; 9  because it is in him that all the fullness of the divine quality dwells bodily.nhttps://www.jw.org/en/library/bible/stu ... ossians/2/

While in literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original Greek, these three verses states the original wordings of it as;

Acts 17:29, speak about the Father's Divine Nature, not divine being.
Rom 1:20, also speaks about the Father's divine nature, not Godship.
(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity(Godhead), (not divine quality) For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!

[Capbook]

"Divine nature" or "divine being" does not necessarily mean that the person in question is God. The definition of "divine" is as follows: "of, from, or like God or a god; more than humanly excellent." That is Jesus Christ. He is divine but not God.

Does it means that the Father is not God to you?
Bible text below speaks about the Father's Divine Nature. Do you believe that verse or not?

Acts 17:29
Being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man.
NASB

Of course the Father is "divine." He is also a Spirit, which Jesus is as well. This doesn't make them equal.

(NASB) Col 2:9, Speaks about Jesus Deity/Godhead, For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form.
Louw and Nida Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament defined "Godhead" in Greek "theotes" with Strong No.G2320 as the nature or state of being God, divine nature, divine being, and deity.

Thus, it proves Jesus in the nature of being God just like the Father's divine nature.
Trinity for me is, one in the nature of being God, in three distinct persons.

NT:2320 the nature or state of being God - 'deity, divine nature, divine being.
(from Greek-English Lexicon Based on Semantic Domain. Copyright © 1988 United Bible Societies, New York. Used by permission.)

We will be misled if you don't consult Bible lexicons to find the true meaning of Bible words.
And especially heavy relying to paraphrase Bible translations that changed original Bible words.
Through my exchanges with JWs, that's what I noticed and I believe will misled many.

Capbook, you and your lexicons are doing exactly what you accuse JWs of doing! What a major paraphrase it is at John 8:58! "before Abraham 'I Am'?" That is paraphrased as much as any paraphrase. It is twisted translation on your part. That can also be said of John 1:1c. Big examples of paraphrase!

Why change topic?
You accuse John 8:58 as paraphrase but never present what you believe as a literal word for word translation of the text.
Your NWT is an example of paraphrase translation, it does not adhere strictly to follow word for word method of translation in every instance.
NWT is a thought for thought translation, the "a" an addition to the original Greek manuscripts in John 1:1c.

The New World Translation (NWT) is a Bible translation that aims for a largely literal, word-for-word rendering, but it does not adhere strictly to this method in every instance. While the NWT strives for accuracy, according to JW.ORG and Wikipedia, it sometimes prioritizes readability and the overall meaning of the text, especially when a strictly literal translation would be awkward or obscure. https://www.google.com/search?q=is+nwt+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

[A Freeman]

Simple, REAL logic dictates that if someone has to dishonestly redefine the meanings of words in their vain attempt to hammer-fit their religious traditions and superstitions, they aren't capable of rational thought (James 1:8).

Words or phrases that those who believe "Jesus is God" -- whether as part of the 3=1 "trinity" doctrine or its variant "oneness" doctrine -- deceitfully redefine to try to make their religious traditions and silly superstition work in their minds:-

Appointed/Appointed One
Anointed/Anointed One
Born
Brethren
Creature
Father
Fellows
Firstborn/Firstbegotten
Equal to
Given
God
Godhead
Grace
Greater than
Heir
Image
Inheritance
Invisible
Made
Man
Mediator
Nothing
Of
Omnipotent
Omnipresent
Omniscient
One
Son
Son of God
Son of Man
The Head of
The MOST High
Three
Two
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