Dying man's wish

[McCulloch]

Hospice Helps Dying Man Lose His Virginity
22-year-old Nick Wallis, who has muscular dystrophy, had hoped to experience sex before he died. After telling staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford of his wish, they decided to help him, reported London's Daily Telegraph.
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"I found an advert from a sex worker in a magazine for the disabled," Wallis said. "The initial contact was by email and then by phone."
It was arranged for the prostitute to visit Wallis' home while his parents went out.

"It was a decision two years in the making and I discussed it with my carers and my parents. Telling my mother and father was the hardest part, but in the end they gave me their support," Wallis told the Telegraph.

The hospice staff consulted a solicitor, clergy, and health care professionals before agreeing to assist Wallis.
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"It is not our job to make moral decisions for our guests. We came to the conclusion that it was our duty of care to support Nick emotionally and to help ensure his physical safety."

Question for debate, is this morally and ethically right? Why or why not?

[Furrowed Brow]

I have not seen anyone quote from God. I have read what a bunch of believers read from a collection of writings.
As far as the bible goes it has a lot of stories and sex all over the place.
Then they quote from celibates.
My favavorite is about drinking wine from her belly or vagina.
Or her breasts are like clusers of grapes.
I am geting hungery.
Off to eat lunch.

Nice glass of wine and a bunch of grapes?

[Beta]

You both seem to have a problem finding relevant scriptures denouncing pre-marital sex as a way of life.

I'm willing to grant that point for the purposes of this debate. The real question is about whether the religious have any right imposing their religion based values on the rest of us.

I would say No, no one has the right to impose their belief on another.but neither have others a right to expect a Christian to help them to sin. Rights cut both ways.

[Beta]

Vladd44, re # 38

since you lack belief in God or anything good about him how is it you are more than ready to believe the worst ??? This says a lot to me.
No further comment necessary.

[McCulloch]

I would say No, no one has the right to impose their belief on another.but neither have others a right to expect a Christian to help them to sin. Rights cut both ways.

That certainly is true. I would not expect that this fellow would go to a church and expect that they would provide him with a sex worker. On the other hand, when a church provides a charitable service, why should they not supply that which may be against their religious values but is not against the values of their client?

[Cathar1950]

Get thee to a nunnery?

Better to marry then burn?

[Goat]

Get thee to a nunnery?

Better to marry then burn?

Funny thing. A 'nunnery' in the timeframe when that was written was slang for a brothel.

[Cathar1950]

Get thee to a nunnery?

Better to marry then burn?

Funny thing. A 'nunnery' in the timeframe when that was written was slang for a brothel.

I know that is why I thought it was funny.
It also seem to fit.

[Cathar1950]

I have not seen anyone quote from God. I have read what a bunch of believers read from a collection of writings.
As far as the bible goes it has a lot of stories and sex all over the place.
Then they quote from celibates.
My favavorite is about drinking wine from her belly or vagina.
Or her breasts are like clusers of grapes.
I am geting hungery.
Off to eat lunch.

Nice glass of wine and a bunch of grapes?

Perfect diet food.
They had some good ideas.

Right now on the History Channel they have a program on called "sex and the Bible".
I am tossed between it and "family guy".

[Beta]

I would say No, no one has the right to impose their belief on another.but neither have others a right to expect a Christian to help them to sin. Rights cut both ways.

That certainly is true. I would not expect that this fellow would go to a church and expect that they would provide him with a sex worker. On the other hand, when a church provides a charitable service, why should they not supply that which may be against their religious values but is not against the values of their client?

Again this will cause a lot of controversy , do our morals and principles matter ? There is a difference between doing good works and being expected to blatantly commit sin. God provided marriage to deal with this particular problem under discussion, so there is an alternative for Mr. W. ?

[Vladd44]

since you lack belief in God or anything good about him how is it you are more than ready to believe the worst ???

What do you mean? I believe neither the best nor the worst about a fictional being.

I simply was pointing out that definitions change. For example rape and kidnapping was once acceptable marriage practice. Definitions change with time, viewpoints change as well.

This says a lot to me.

Well by all means, explain it to me. I figured a post pointing out where I was coming from would at least deserve a rational response.

No further comment necessary.

And why not? Unless your down for the Murder, Kidnapping Rape definition of marriage.

What I think you fail to understand is I do not particularly condemn the Israelites for their behavior, to do so would require me to be as guilty as I see you as being. I cannot judge their actions according to 2007 values. No more than you can judge their words with 2007 definitions.

It was a time where women were little more than property. Not just in their society, but the world as a whole.

But I do think it is a legitimate argument to ask if we really want to base our 2007 "moral code" on writings coming from a period where such things were acceptable.

We can do better than base our morals on people who accepted rape, murder, kidnapping etc as foreplay.