Dying man's wish

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 10:08 pm

FauxNews wrote:Hospice Helps Dying Man Lose His Virginity
22-year-old Nick Wallis, who has muscular dystrophy, had hoped to experience sex before he died. After telling staff at the Douglas House hospice in Oxford of his wish, they decided to help him, reported London's Daily Telegraph.
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"I found an advert from a sex worker in a magazine for the disabled," Wallis said. "The initial contact was by email and then by phone."
It was arranged for the prostitute to visit Wallis' home while his parents went out.

"It was a decision two years in the making and I discussed it with my carers and my parents. Telling my mother and father was the hardest part, but in the end they gave me their support," Wallis told the Telegraph.

The hospice staff consulted a solicitor, clergy, and health care professionals before agreeing to assist Wallis.
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"It is not our job to make moral decisions for our guests. We came to the conclusion that it was our duty of care to support Nick emotionally and to help ensure his physical safety."

Question for debate, is this morally and ethically right? Why or why not?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:25 pm

Beta wrote:God provided marriage to deal with this particular problem under discussion, so there is an alternative for Mr. W. ?

There's a whole lot of women lining up to marry a dying 21 year old. Right.!

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:45 pm

McCulloch wrote:
Beta wrote:God provided marriage to deal with this particular problem under discussion, so there is an alternative for Mr. W. ?
There's a whole lot of women lining up to marry a dying 21 year old. Right.!

Everyone knows God like widows better then prostitutes.
According to the stories, one ancestress was a prostitute living in Jericho another had to pretend she was to get pregnant and another was an adulteress.
This is the background of a Messiah that some how bothers people's sensitivities about a 21 year old virgin boy. One was even an evil Moabite.

Cmass · Post by **Cmass** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:58 am

So, what I want to know is what happened to the young man? Did he go through with it? Was it everything he thought it would be? Perhaps the experience gave him hope to live longer? Perhaps it was a healing experience? Is he still alive or did he die with a smile on his face?

Was this a "moral" act? No doubt whatsoever. Going through the motions of passing on his genetic material is one of the most important and powerful human urges that exists. Christians have always tried to tame this urge as a way to impose self control and as a prerequisite for joining the club. But, most of them never make it and end up humping out of wedlock anyhow. I want every single Christian on this forum to answer with honesty: You you ever had premarital sex? (assuming you are healthy and of age). I have many, many Christian friends and not one of them made it to their wedding day without insertion of some form or another. Not one.

Furrowed Brow · Post by **Furrowed Brow** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:27 am

Cmass wrote:So, what I want to know is what happened to the young man? Did he go through with it? Was it everything he thought it would be? Perhaps the experience gave him hope to live longer? Perhaps it was a healing experience? Is he still alive or did he die with a smile on his face?

Was this a "moral" act? No doubt whatsoever. Going through the motions of passing on his genetic material is one of the most important and powerful human urges that exists. Christians have always tried to tame this urge as a way to impose self control and as a prerequisite for joining the club. But, most of them never make it and end up humping out of wedlock anyhow. I want every single Christian on this forum to answer with honesty: You you ever had premarital sex? (assuming you are healthy and of age). I have many, many Christian friends and not one of them made it to their wedding day without insertion of some form or another. Not one.

Does it say anything in the bible about insertion? Is insertion a sin?

Beta · Post by **Beta** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 8:16 am

McCulloch wrote:
Beta wrote:God provided marriage to deal with this particular problem under discussion, so there is an alternative for Mr. W. ?
There's a whole lot of women lining up to marry a dying 21 year old. Right.!

I don't suppose there are, yet it appears that some are prepared to give a service of a sexual nature. Why not within marriage ? We hear so much about the plight of prostitutes one would think those kind carers would have no difficulty finding one happy to be rescued - even for just a short period. Has it even been considered ???
In spite of my view re.pre-marital sex I am sympathetic to Mr. Wallis predicament and hope he can find a better solution than the present ill-adviced one.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:42 pm

Cmass wrote:So, what I want to know is what happened to the young man? Did he go through with it? Was it everything he thought it would be? Perhaps the experience gave him hope to live longer? Perhaps it was a healing experience? Is he still alive or did he die with a smile on his face?

Sadly, but not unexpectedly, he found the experience to be less than he had hoped for.

Beta wrote:Why not within marriage? We hear so much about the plight of prostitutes one would think those kind carers would have no difficulty finding one happy to be rescued - even for just a short period. Has it even been considered?

Most of the plight of prostitutes is a result of their trade being criminalized. Are you suggesting a quicky marriage lasting until such time as the young man passes on or they get a divorce?

Cathar1950 · Post by **Cathar1950** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:33 pm

McCulloch wrote:Sadly, but not unexpectedly, he found the experience to be less than he had hoped for.

Welcome to the real world.
It does take practice.

Vladd44 · Post by **Vladd44** » Tue Feb 06, 2007 4:35 pm

Too bad you people just can't accept god's view as your own and quit denying him.

If you don't know what his view is, just call me at 444-444-4444 (at $4.44/Minute) for clarification.

Beta · Post by **Beta** » Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:30 am

Mr.McCulloch, I think we have proved this debate to be going nowhere. Ultimately it is a matter for the persons concerned and my view is not likely to make a difference to them , besides I have made it amply known.

Greatest I Am · Post by **Greatest I Am** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:10 pm

Beta wrote:
Confused wrote:Where do you find this stuff? I see nothing immoral about this. Since nowhere in the bible does it overtly state that remarital sex is wrong, it only vaguely applies virginity to females upon the marriage bed, not only would the man be exempt, but I see no religious laws he broke.
YOU may not think any wrong has been committed but according to the Word of God HE certainly does - and that is what counts.
However if Wallis was not a religious person we should not judge him. The Bible says not to judge those outside. But if I am not mistaken some religious persons were involved and THEY will bear responsibility for their assistance in a biblically denounced act.Whoremongers and fornicators will not enter the Kingdom of God (unless repented of).

Bah.
If God were concerned with our body parts He would not have forced Adam and Eve into incest.

I would expect your kind of statement only from a fundamentalist Bible thumper.
I do not usually use labels but have I met my first.

Regards
DL