Is Jesus coming back?

[justifyothers]

I haven't posted in this forum before, but I feel I need a respite from the other one

I was just wondering what we all think about the return of Jesus? Is it a literal return or was that taken care of through the spirit? Is there a misunderstanding of scripture?


What is your perspective on this? Please feel free to use scripture, or simply state your opinions on this......

[myth-one.com]

It's obvious that you only believe that Jesus is the son of man.
You fail to acknowledge him as the Son of God.
The Son of God is God himself.
The Son of God has no father.

Is Jesus the Son of God?

Yes, Jesus is the Son of God.

Jesus Christ often spoke of His Father. "Father forgive them..., I must be about my Father's business..., etc.

The Son of God has no father.

Are you calling Jesus a liar?

[InTheFlesh]

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged"

You're not even quoting Jesus,
so how can I be calling him a liar?
I asked for scriptures to support your points,
but you failed to post a single one.
Your gospel is like your screen name.

And by the way, the Son of God has no father.

[1] For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
[2] To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Matt.9
[6] But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.

Can you demonstrate this type of power?

Do you notice that I'm preaching Jesus and you're denying him?
Jesus is Lord.
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

[myth-one.com]

You're not even quoting Jesus, so how can I be calling him a liar?

I'm quoting you. You said: "And by the way, the Son of God has no father."

[3] Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Are you now claiming that priests are fatherless also?

Jesus claimed to have a Father on many occasions. One sufficient example is as follows:

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. (Luke 23:34)

how can I be calling him a liar?

Here's how that works, InTheFlesh:

You claim Jesus had no Father. Jesus stated that He does have a father. For you to be correct, Jesus is either confused or lying. Since He is "all knowing," I think we can rule out His being confused. Thus the question: Are you calling Jesus a liar?

Son: A male child or person in relation to his parents.

You do acknowledge that Jesus is the Son of God when you state, "The Son of God has no Father." If that is the case, Jesus would not meet the definition of son, as son implies parents. If Jesus is the Son of "God" then "God" must be one of the parents of the the son Jesus. Being the Son of Alpha implies Alpha is your Father. If your statement that the Son of God has no Father is true, then there is no God. If you believe there is no God there are two possibilities. Either you are an atheist or you believe God is dead.

Do you notice that I'm preaching Jesus and you're denying him?
Jesus is Lord.
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD"

"O Israel" denies that Jesus is the Son of God. They still await the Messiah.

[InTheFlesh]

You still HAVE NOT provided any scriptures to support your interpretations.
You are not comparing scripture with scripture.

Jesus is both the son of man and Son of God.
Do you know the difference?

2Cor.6
[18] "And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty"

If Jesus will be a Father unto us,
does that make God our Grandfather?

[myth-one.com]

You still HAVE NOT provided any scriptures to support your interpretations.

Actually, in this thread I've supported my beliefs with 16 Bible quotes consisting of 23 verses on 6 postings. That's an average of 3.833 verses/post.

You have supported your point of view with 4 Bible quotes consisting of 4 verses on 6 postings. That's an average of 0.666 verses/post.

Exactly which of the 23 verses which I quoted do you not understand?

Jesus is both the son of man and Son of God.
Do you know the difference?

Absolutely!

If Jesus will be a Father unto us, does that make God our Grandfather?

No, God the Father will always be our Father, Just as He is Jesus' Father:

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ ... (Romans 8:16-17)

When we are born again into the Kingdom of God at the Second Coming, Jesus will no longer be the only Son of God! In fact, Jesus will be our brother, as we also are the sons and daughters of God; thus making us joint heirs with Jesus Christ. What a wonderful big brother we will have!

I hope this does not confuse you even more. It's similar to the fact that since Jesus is the Son of God, then God is His Father. Likewise, we being the children of God indicates that God is also our Father.

[InTheFlesh]

First of all,
I am NOT confused.
You have NOT given me ANY verses to support your claims in OUR debate.
You must be a politician.
You tried posting stats that have NOTHING to do with THIS debate.
Actually, since you are not rooted and grounded in truth,
I can see that you are VERY confused on this subject.
You confess Jesus with your mouth
but with your heart you deny him.

Since you can't provide any scripture to support your point,
I will assume you have none.
Therefore you are preaching false opinions,
instead of sound doctrine.

"Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him."

As you can see,
the Son of God receives worship.
If Jesus is not God, why do believers worship him?

"Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"

[myth-one.com]

If Jesus is not God, why do believers worship him?

Jesus is the Son of God and we worship Him because we seek salvation from the wages of sin:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

As the Son of God, Jesus is also God:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (John 1:1-3)

The "Word" is Jesus:

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. (John 1:14)

Since you can't provide any scripture to support your point,
I will assume you have none.

Eh, which point?

[InTheFlesh]

1st reply:
You did not address why is Jesus getting worshiped?
You said Jesus is not the Father.
You shared the verse about Jesus being made lower than the angels for the sufferings of death. We know that in Revelation the angel rejects worship. The angel says to worship God only. Why does Jesus accept and receive worship from his followers if the bible instructs to worship the Father only?

“But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him�

“For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ�

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father�

I’ll tell you why Jesus accepts worship,
Because he is the Father.

Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

2nd reply:
What do you mean also God?
He is the only God.
So you are saying that there is two Gods?
The Father is one God and Jesus is another God?


3rd reply:
In the beginning was the Word.
Yes, and the Word was God.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Jesus is God the Father and creator of all things in the beginning.

4th reply:Every point.

[myth-one.com]

1st reply:
You did not address why is Jesus getting worshiped?
You said Jesus is not the Father.

From my last posting: "Jesus is the Son of God and we worship Him because we seek salvation from the wages of sin:"

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him�

“For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ�

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father�

Why do you not provide the Bible book, chapter, and verse??

I’ll tell you why Jesus accepts worship, Because he is the Father.

If Jesus is the Father, why does He pray to Himself, as in "Father Forgive them...?"

So you are saying that there is two Gods?

Shouldn't that be "are" two Gods?

[InTheFlesh]

1st reply:
You did not address why is Jesus getting worshiped?
You said Jesus is not the Father.

From my last posting: "Jesus is the Son of God and we worship Him because we seek salvation from the wages of sin:"

You failed to answer the question, AGAIN.
The question is why would someone worship Jesus if the instruction is to worship the Father?

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him�

“For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ�

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father�

Why do you not provide the Bible book, chapter, and verse??

Are they not verses from the bible?
Once again, since you have no substance, you are trying to blow smoke.

I’ll tell you why Jesus accepts worship, Because he is the Father.

If Jesus is the Father, why does He pray to Himself, as in "Father Forgive them...?"

As the son of man, he prays to the Father.
but as the Son of God, he receives worship.
Do you ever talk to yourself?
It's funny how when a christian can't provide doctrine to support an opinion,
he will resort to reasoning in his heart.

So you are saying that there is two Gods?

Shouldn't that be "are" two Gods?

What is your answer?
One or Two?
Is it such a tough question?