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As I can offer nothing but my opinion, I shall be brief.justifyothers wrote:I haven't posted in this forum before, but I feel I need a respite from the other one
I was just wondering what we all think about the return of Jesus? Is it a literal return or was that taken care of through the spirit? Is there a misunderstanding of scripture?
What is your perspective on this? Please feel free to use scripture, or simply state your opinions on this......
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. (Revelation 19:11-13)
Therefore, the deity named "The Word of God" coming from heaven on a white horse is Jesus Christ. This is His Second Coming to the earth! It will be a spiritual return because He is coming down from heaven where physical bodies are not allowed:And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us... (John 1:14)
At His Second Coming, all dead Christians are resurrected as everlasting spiritual bodies also:And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God;... (I Corinthians 15:49-50)
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. (I Corinthians 15:22-23)
The reason He is coming back is to rule the earth for ever and ever. Jesus will defeat Satan and the Earth will rejoin the Kingdom of Heaven. Jesus will then rule the Earth from new Jerusalem for ever and ever:And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life... (Daniel 12:2)
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. (Revelation 11:15)
And how long will we be on the Earth reigning with Jesus? For eternity:...we shall also reign with him. (II Timothy 2:12)
...and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)
Yes, the same verse from the New International Version of the Bible is:InTheFlesh wrote:"The only part of the Trinity of God who became flesh and dwelt among us was Jesus Christ:"
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[9] For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Try again!
This verse does not say that God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit were all made flesh! It simply states that all the fullness of the entire Trinity was embodied in the human being we know as Jesus Christ. Only God the Son ever even needed to become flesh and blood because He is the one who had to DIE for our sins. God the Son is a spiritual being and cannot be killed. That being the case, how could He die for our sins? The answer is in the Bible:For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form. (Colossians 9:2)
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Hebrews 2:9)
Yes, thanks for helping prove my point. God was manifested in the flesh as Jesus Christ. Jesus was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, and received up into glory!InTheFlesh wrote:1Tim.3
[16] And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Try Again!
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I John 5:7)
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. (I Corinthians 12:12)
In truth, it seems to me that He did have more power than today's Christians in that He knew the scriptures were all true! We have faith in the scriptures and the promise of eternal life with God. Faith is believing in things unseen. Jesus, on the other hand, had seen since the beginning of time, the future which awaits all Christians. Therefore, when He prayed, He always believed His Father would answer His prayer. Notice what Jesus states about His prayers:Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24)
Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always... (John 11:41-42)
It's obvious that you only believe that Jesus is the son of man.myth-one.com wrote:In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (John 1:1)
The Word refers to Jesus, as God spoke to man through Jesus. How can Jesus be with God and also be God? How can the Son and the Father be the same? How can three separate beings be the same being?
Doesn't the verse you shared say that the Word was God?
Are you saying otherwise?
You are the typical religious preacher.
Full of opinions.
Where does it say they are seperate beings?
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (I John 5:7)
Once again,
The verse you are sharing says that they are one.
Why are you saying they are three?
Is Christianity a monotheistic religion, or a triumvirate? Is their one God, or three? Throughout the Bible, Jesus Christ is also addressed as the Son of God, the Word, the Savior, the Lamb of God, Teacher, and other names. The Holy Ghost is also called the Holy Spirit and Comforter. God is generally spoken of as God, God the Father, or simply Father. That is, all three are referred to as individual beings.
Individual beings?
Where does it say that in the bible?
Here's a couple of titles for Jesus that you missed:
"The mighty God, The everlasting Father"
Is there more than ONE almighty God?
Is ther more than ONE everlasting Father?
Is the Trinity of God one spiritual body with separate functions being delegated to parts of that body?
God is ONE.
How many are you?
Are you three seperate beings?
Were we not made in the image of God?
For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. (I Corinthians 12:12)
On the other hand, could the phrase, "and these three are one," have a completely different meaning than presently believed. These verses could indicate that all three beings are one in agreement and purpose. Remember that the archangel Satan and other angels rebelled against God. The Son of God and the Holy Spirit never questioned God the Father's authority. Therefore, all three are in agreement as one being as to their plan and goals. That is, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one in agreement and purpose. Thus they are as one being. We may not understand this completely until the Second Coming when we shall see Him (or them) face to face.
We?
Speak for yourself.
It's clear you're a babe in the subject.
Is Jesus not the Holy Ghost?
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
How can Jesus be in our midst if he is not the Holy Spirit?
So Jesus is God, Jesus, The Son of God, The Word, Teacher, and many other names and titles. Likewise, the Father and the Holy Spirit can be both the same and unique.
Jesus did not have the powers associated with God when He departed heaven to become a human on the earth! Lightning did not strike me when I realized this fact. Jesus had to come to earth as a human with all our characteristics and weaknesses to be tempted and tested as we are! Therefore, He did not have power of His own to heal people, raise people from the dead, and perform other miracles. How do we know this? Because Jesus prayed! If He was a God during His thirty-three years on the earth, He could have performed such feats directly with His own godly powers. Since this was not the case, He had to pray to God His Father to perform acts beyond His human capabilities.
It was God himself who came in the flesh.
The Jews were waiting for God himself.
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."
Do you believe in ONE God or Three?
Jesus Christ had no more power than any Christian of today while He lived on the earth as a human. The power we all have, including Jesus while He was a human on the earth, is that of prayer:
Once again,
this is your private interpretation.
Here is what the bible says:
"No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father"
Can you lay your life and raise it?
Do you have the power of Christ?
In truth, it seems to me that He did have more power than today's Christians in that He knew the scriptures were all true! We have faith in the scriptures and the promise of eternal life with God. Faith is believing in things unseen. Jesus, on the other hand, had seen since the beginning of time, the future which awaits all Christians. Therefore, when He prayed, He always believed His Father would answer His prayer. Notice what Jesus states about His prayers:Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. (Mark 11:24)
Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always... (John 11:41-42)
Jesus Christ knew that these verses concerning prayer and all scripture were indeed true! Things that we believe on faith, He had actually experienced! You might say that He had inside information!
