quran and hadith together form islam

[umair]

i will not go into much depth, but just pose a question on the face of it.

if the only goal of prophet muhammed(saw), would have been to deliver the quran,
then allah (swt), could have even appointed an angel for this task.

but muhammed (saw), was here to teach us how to lead the best life, and ofcourse he taught us accordingly with what allah(swt) had made him to do.
and we should never forget that allah(swt), sent a man instead of an angel so that we may not excuse, for what he could do.

believe me, you cannot follow the quran until you know the right meaning of it,and the right way to enable an act, which we get to know from the hadith and the sunnah.
and complimentarily, you cannot follow a hadith or suunah,until you add the verses of the quran to it.

any doubts , please address.

[umair]

well, i was expecting some

[McCulloch]

Doesn't your position contradict the advice in your signature: a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts.
because followers can be misleading.

You're saying you cannot understand Islam without the example of its first proponent, yet we're not supposed to try to understand Islam by looking at its followers.

[umair]

Doesn't your position contradict the advice in your signature: a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts.
because followers can be misleading.

You're saying you cannot understand Islam without the example of its first proponent, yet we're not supposed to try to understand Islam by looking at its followers.

well not at all,

prophet muhammed(saw) was not only a follower, but the messenger of islam as well,
and a messenger has to convey his messege in the best possible way,
and what could be better than to himself do and show it, and teach how it is to be done,alhamdulillah this is what he did.

[McCulloch]

Doesn't your position contradict the advice in your signature: a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts. because followers can be misleading.

You're saying you cannot understand Islam without the example of its first proponent, yet we're not supposed to try to understand Islam by looking at its followers.

well not at all,

prophet muhammed(saw) was not only a follower, but the messenger of islam as well,
and a messenger has to convey his messege in the best possible way,
and what could be better than to himself do and show it, and teach how it is to be done,alhamdulillah this is what he did.

And what is Islam? Is it not total surrender of oneself to God. And what is a Muslim? One who submits?

Then how better to teach others about submission than by example! Should not every Muslim be an example to us infidels of how a life of submission to Allah can be? I am willing to make allowances for a reasonable percentage of hypocrites and dunderheads, who in any movement just don't get it, but I would expect that the majority of the followers should exemplify the meaning of the ideology.

Therefore, as Jesus said about judging trees by fruit, I will ignore the advice of your signature and understand Islam by how it produces examples of its followers, even though individual followers can be misleading.

[umair]

Doesn't your position contradict the advice in your signature: a religion should not be obsereved from its followers ,but from its scriptures and established facts. because followers can be misleading.

You're saying you cannot understand Islam without the example of its first proponent, yet we're not supposed to try to understand Islam by looking at its followers.

well not at all,

prophet muhammed(saw) was not only a follower, but the messenger of islam as well,
and a messenger has to convey his messege in the best possible way,
and what could be better than to himself do and show it, and teach how it is to be done,alhamdulillah this is what he did.

And what is Islam? Is it not total surrender of oneself to God. And what is a Muslim? One who submits?

Then how better to teach others about submission than by example! Should not every Muslim be an example to us infidels of how a life of submission to Allah can be? I am willing to make allowances for a reasonable percentage of hypocrites and dunderheads, who in any movement just don't get it, but I would expect that the majority of the followers should exemplify the meaning of the ideology.

Therefore, as Jesus said about judging trees by fruit, I will ignore the advice of your signature and understand Islam by how it produces examples of its followers, even though individual followers can be misleading.

see, although i abide by your statement, but would just like to pose an example to as to why i have used such a signature.

if a new or rash driver , drives a mercedes into an accident, and hurts himself and the people around, then whose fault is it?

is it the fault of the merc, or of the driver?

well, ofcourse the driver, because no matter how safe you make the car, but the driver has to be responsible.

hope it is understandable!

[McCulloch]

see, although i abide by your statement, but would just like to pose an example to as to why i have used such a signature.

if a new or rash driver , drives a mercedes into an accident, and hurts himself and the people around, then whose fault is it?

is it the fault of the merc, or of the driver?

well, ofcourse the driver, because no matter how safe you make the car, but the driver has to be responsible.

hope it is understandable!

I see your point. But if I noticed that only the drivers of mercs drove their cars into hydro poles and trees, then I would be justified in wondering what it was about that kind of car that contributes to that behaviour. One driver does not a pattern make.

[Bigmo]

25.33. And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

17.89. And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse except with ingratitude!

39.27. We have put forth for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition

16.89. One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims

6.114. Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.

12.111. There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

17.12. We have made the Night and the Day as two Signs: the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years: all things have We explained in detail.

44.2-3 By the Book that makes things clear;- We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We wish to warn,

6.38. There is not an animal on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but are communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

The Koran is fully dteailed, an exposition of all things, and clarified in detail and nothing has been omited.

The prophet was:

10.15. But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day."

[umair]

25.33. And no question do they bring to thee but We reveal to thee the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

17.89. And We have explained to man, in this Qur'an, every kind of similitude: yet the greater part of men refuse except with ingratitude!

39.27. We have put forth for men, in this Qur'an every kind of Parable, in order that they may receive admonition

16.89. One day We shall raise from all Peoples a witness against them, from amongst themselves: and We shall bring thee as a witness against these (thy people): and We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims

6.114. Say: "Shall I seek for judge other than God. - when He it is Who hath sent unto you the Book, explained in detail." They know full well, to whom We have given the Book, that it hath been sent down from thy Lord in truth. Never be then of those who doubt.

12.111. There is, in their stories, instruction for men endued with understanding. It is not a tale invented, but a confirmation of what went before it,- a detailed exposition of all things, and a guide and a mercy to any such as believe.

17.12. We have made the Night and the Day as two Signs: the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years: all things have We explained in detail.

44.2-3 By the Book that makes things clear;- We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We wish to warn,

6.38. There is not an animal on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but are communities like you. Nothing have we omitted from the Book, and they shall be gathered to their Lord in the end.

The Koran is fully dteailed, an exposition of all things, and clarified in detail and nothing has been omited.

The prophet was:

10.15. But when Our Clear Signs are rehearsed unto them, those who rest not their hope on their meeting with Us, Say: "Bring us a reading other than this, or change this," Say: "It is not for me, of my own accord, to change it: I follow naught but what is revealed unto me: if I were to disobey my Lord, I should myself fear the penalty of a Great Day."

well , ofcourse even i do believe that the quran is complete as a book of guidance,

but just answer a simple question,
if only quran is given to you then how will you offer the salat ?

well this is where the duty of the prophet began, ie he told us the right method of offering the salat.(ofcourse by the will and knowledge , given to him by allah(swt))

and this is well applied to all the other acts as well.


remember if quran is a word of allah(swt) delivered by the prophet , then even the hadith were delivered from that same mouth of the most respectable messenger of allah(swt),
and both were by the will and bounty of allah(swt).


so as the quran went on laying the guiding line, the prophet taught us its meaning and implementation.

[umair]

see, although i abide by your statement, but would just like to pose an example to as to why i have used such a signature.

if a new or rash driver , drives a mercedes into an accident, and hurts himself and the people around, then whose fault is it?

is it the fault of the merc, or of the driver?

well, ofcourse the driver, because no matter how safe you make the car, but the driver has to be responsible.

hope it is understandable!

I see your point. But if I noticed that only the drivers of mercs drove their cars into hydro poles and trees, then I would be justified in wondering what it was about that kind of car that contributes to that behaviour. One driver does not a pattern make.

well,

then either the manufacturer is defaulted(which is not such for merc) or your observation(which can be corrected).

but only after knowing that have you really yourself studied the behaviour of the car, or are just conveying what you have heard.