proofs ( pictures)

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

ladies and gentlemen
i told you every thing about quraan and i told you every thing about mohammed but you still disbelievers

so i thought to give you some pictures and see

i think any body have mind will convert and hug islam

so watch these pictures..

this is allah by arabic (this is a tree created by allah)



look at the clouds it is allah by arabic



look at your hand it is allah by arabic



this picture taken in germany it is no god but allah by arabic



this picture from lebanon when you travel to there you can see that rock it is looks like the muslim when he pray
looks like muslims when they put their faces on ground for allah



look at this picture and think about islam please (thanks allah because iam muslim)

[daedalus 2.0]

Proof is irrelevant to this particular poster.

Agreed. I would never consider the quran proof for ANYTHING except to prove a point to someone who already believes it's true.

And yet you believe the Bible? What is the difference? Certainly, if God allows slavery, you shouldn't pass judgment on it, right? Jesus allowed slavery.

[carolineislands]

Take it to the Christian threads, please.

[manofstyle]

Proof is irrelevant to this particular poster.

Agreed. I would never consider the quran proof for ANYTHING except to prove a point to someone who already believes it's true.

And yet you believe the Bible? What is the difference? Certainly, if God allows slavery, you shouldn't pass judgment on it, right? Jesus allowed slavery.

No surprise this came up. This forum is not about Christian beliefs. If you want to talk about Christianity and slavery, then go to the appropriate thread to discuss it, otherwise I think it would be good to just focus on the topic here.

[Rathpig]

Christianity allows innovation in worship (Bid'a in Arabic). In fact, much of the history of Christianity is the outline of innovation and change. Islam specifically forbids Bid'a, so I think we can effectively answer the question in this thread. A major difference exists.

Islam supports slavery and forbids change. That is one of the problems which should be addressed in any thread about Islamic "proof".

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

A point well made, Rathpig, and one that strikes at the heart of Islâm. It DOES prohibit change. Change takes place all the time, but it specifically forbids this, with (undoubtedly apocryphal) ahadîth of Muhammad damning to hell those who introduce innovations into religion. Bizarre, considering the collation of ‘revelation’ verses into a written Qur’ân represents innovation itself!

Islâm, through the actions of Muhammad (remember, the ultimate example to follow), fully supports slavery. Now, in the west I never encountered it but that comes down to secular western laws forbidding slavery. Consequently people in this country grew up with an anti–slavery mindset. As for the founder of this religion, though, ‘authentic’ ahadîth attest to Muhammad owning slaves (here, for example, in the middle of the 4th paragraph), having his slaves flogged (here, though the punishment doesn’t quite take place in this example), and giving slaves away to friends and family (such as here).

If he actively did this then, as you so correctly point out, Islâm endorses this despicable practice and muslims should abandon it immediately. BUT… if you discard one aspect of the religion then why keep any other? And can it really stem from god if you can ignore the bad bits and keep whatever good you find in it? And if you explain it away by tying it to the context of the time (everyone had slaves then, everyone took child brides, etc), then you can hardly call it a universal religion for all times, can you!

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

I noticed that you thought me a lier about that pictures ( my proofs ) so I found a realy proof which may make you think about islam

[Fallibleone]

You think this is somehow more believable because it's moving pictures????? It's a tree, CONVERTED, A TREE. But OK, if you want to play this game - have you ever in your entire life seen a Muslim praying in that position? Bent forwards so his torso is 3' off the ground, legs straight and a large 20' tall proboscis sprouting from his back and exploding into a leafy canopy??

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

You think this is somehow more believable because it's moving pictures????? It's a tree, CONVERTED, A TREE. But OK, if you want to play this game - have you ever in your entire life seen a Muslim praying in that position? Bent forwards so his torso is 3' off the ground, legs straight and a large 20' tall proboscis sprouting from his back and exploding into a leafy canopy??

oh come on you saw that tree praying ,, you do not have any choice ,, just say I believe that .

[manofstyle]

You think this is somehow more believable because it's moving pictures????? It's a tree, CONVERTED, A TREE. But OK, if you want to play this game - have you ever in your entire life seen a Muslim praying in that position? Bent forwards so his torso is 3' off the ground, legs straight and a large 20' tall proboscis sprouting from his back and exploding into a leafy canopy??

oh come on you saw that tree praying ,, you do not have any choice ,, just say I believe that .

We try to give you something meaningful to talk about, we give you verses quoted from your religion's book stating all sorts of things about Islam, and how do you respond? With a....movie??? If you want us to take you seriously, you can't just ignore us and then post with a movie link. Or is it customary for you to ignore input when you can't say anything to pierce the argument??


Let me ask you: Do you think it is right for Muslims to terrorize and strike fear into non-believers?? i.e. terrorism on a "christian" nation.

[Fallibleone]

You think this is somehow more believable because it's moving pictures????? It's a tree, CONVERTED, A TREE. But OK, if you want to play this game - have you ever in your entire life seen a Muslim praying in that position? Bent forwards so his torso is 3' off the ground, legs straight and a large 20' tall proboscis sprouting from his back and exploding into a leafy canopy??

oh come on you saw that tree praying ,,

Oh, now it's not a tree made by Allah into the shape of a man praying - now the tree itself is actually praying.

you do not have any choice ,, just say I believe that .

I'm sure I've already explained that I come from a part of the world where women don't have to do what they're told.

Please answer this : how many men have you seen praying like that?

At this point, I have no reason to think you're not a troll.