Are you a Good Person?

[servant]

Take the test if you dare:



http://www.livingwaters.com/good/

[cnorman18]

So...where is Hitler or Stalin?

One more time; what are the chances that Jews would become Christians when it has usually been Christians who were torturing and murdering them, and usually explicitly in the name of Christ?

I think Hitler had an anti-christ spirit. I think murdering others in the name of Christ is taking God's name in vain.

Very well put. Thanks.

[Zzyzx]

[bernee51]

"On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, 'He is going forth to be stoned because he has practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy. Anyone who can say anything in his favour, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.' But since nothing was brought forward in his favour he was hanged on the eve of the Passover."

Yes...there were influential and reactionary rabbis in Palestine during the period. Some were executed. It was a time of occupation.

Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), "the greatest historian" of ancient Rome:

Tacitus was writing 50-70 years after the death of Jesus. He speaks of christians. No one doubts followers of he who becme known as Christ existed.

Shifting the burden of will do you no good. It is you making the positive claims...you have not shown that he lived, did die and, most importantly, rose from the dead.

The above information is from Ancient Non-Christian sources which indicate that Jesus "Lived" "Died". Now the question is, if He lived and died like they say, then where is His body?

If the man who became known as Christ was indeed executed by the Romans his biody would have gone the same way as that of every other criminal. Thrown on a rubbish heap to be eaten by wild dogs. Where are his remains? Look for coprolites.

1 Corinthians 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I have a low regard fot the misogynist misanthrope Paul who hijacked and adulterated what could have been a great flowering of humanity and turned into a reflection of his own hysterical and warped world view.

Not believing in God or believing in God that does not punish evil just makes no sense to me based on my moral code. See I believe it is wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, murder, etc... It seems to me that everyone here that does not believe in God or only believes in a God that does not punish evil is trying to justify evil (sin). You do away with God or a God that has no Hell to do away with the moral law (whats right or whats wrong). The problem is we all know the truth when it comes to whats right and wrong.

So the only reason you can think of that one might not beleive in your god concept is because they wish to 'sin'? You are joking aren't you? Are you familiar with the Eightfold path - devised 600 years before your Christ by someone you would regard as an atheist.

Who is the 'we' in we all? Are you speaking for all of humanity for all time. Have not moral codes evolved over the millennia? Can you describe a manner in which absolute standards of right and wrong can be determined? If they exist they must be, by definition, global and eternal.

[OnceConvinced]

There. Now, Hitler did not repent on his deathbed. He ate a cyanide pill and blew his brains out with a .25 caliber pistol,

I don't think that's ever been proven.

and his last communication of record was to urge the continued murder of Jews. Plus, the obvious assumption here that the Jews he had murdered all went to Hell is a bit much to take.

One more time; what are the chances that Jews would become Christians when it has usually been Christians who were torturing and murdering them, and usually explicitly in the name of Christ?

No mercy for them, I see.

The reason I posted that little story was not to condemn Jews in any way. It was simply to expose the fundamentalist Christian's warped view of Hell. The fact that an evil b'stard like Hitler, if he really had repented could have ended up in Heaven, whilst those who didn't accept Christ ended up in Hell for no good reason. I for one do not believe all those Jews went to hell, but the fundamentalist Christian most likely would (for the simple fact they rejected Christ and died before they had the chance to accept him), which I agree, is a belief that is certainly very vomit enducing.

[cnorman18]

There. Now, Hitler did not repent on his deathbed. He ate a cyanide pill and blew his brains out with a .25 caliber pistol,

I don't think that's ever been proven.

and his last communication of record was to urge the continued murder of Jews. Plus, the obvious assumption here that the Jews he had murdered all went to Hell is a bit much to take.

One more time; what are the chances that Jews would become Christians when it has usually been Christians who were torturing and murdering them, and usually explicitly in the name of Christ?

No mercy for them, I see.

The reason I posted that little story was not to condemn Jews in any way. It was simply to expose the fundamentalist Christian's warped view of Hell. The fact that an evil b'stard like Hitler, if he really had repented could have ended up in Heaven, whilst those who didn't accept Christ ended up in Hell for no good reason. I for one do not believe all those Jews went to hell, but the fundamentalist Christian most likely would (for the simple fact they rejected Christ and died before they had the chance to accept him), which I agree, is a belief that is certainly very vomit enducing.

My apologies. I haven't gotten to know everyone yet, and I thought you were serious. There have been posts here that are a lot more emetic in effect than that one.

That's the problem with sarcasm; there are always people around who are likely to take it literally and agree with it. I suspect that there are some around here who saw nothing wrong with that post at all.

Again, my apologies.

[OnceConvinced]

There. Now, Hitler did not repent on his deathbed. He ate a cyanide pill and blew his brains out with a .25 caliber pistol,

I don't think that's ever been proven.

and his last communication of record was to urge the continued murder of Jews. Plus, the obvious assumption here that the Jews he had murdered all went to Hell is a bit much to take.

One more time; what are the chances that Jews would become Christians when it has usually been Christians who were torturing and murdering them, and usually explicitly in the name of Christ?

No mercy for them, I see.

The reason I posted that little story was not to condemn Jews in any way. It was simply to expose the fundamentalist Christian's warped view of Hell. The fact that an evil b'stard like Hitler, if he really had repented could have ended up in Heaven, whilst those who didn't accept Christ ended up in Hell for no good reason. I for one do not believe all those Jews went to hell, but the fundamentalist Christian most likely would (for the simple fact they rejected Christ and died before they had the chance to accept him), which I agree, is a belief that is certainly very vomit enducing.

My apologies. I haven't gotten to know everyone yet, and I thought you were serious. There have been posts here that are a lot more emetic in effect than that one.

That's the problem with sarcasm; there are always people around who are likely to take it literally and agree with it. I suspect that there are some around here who saw nothing wrong with that post at all.

Again, my apologies.

Hey, no need to apologise, I understand completely. It's not easy to keep track of everyone, especially when there's so many topics and so many debates. And I'm only active in a few of them. I do know, my sarcasm can sometimes be taken the wrong way. I figured you might not have realised where I was coming from and it's fully understandable.

[Confused]

I dared - I'm bad .

Gee - I only managed one out of ten as a not guilty. Does that make me 'bad'?

One better than me

I haven't murdered anyone. That is the only thing I can say. Somehow I don't think getting one out of ten right is any better than missing them all.
Well, see you all in the great underworld. Save me a seat if you get there first.

[Fallibleone]

1 out of 10 for me too.

Never mind, I'd rather be in Hell with people like you than in Heaven with those who are so sure they'll get in that they no longer have to bother with boring stuff like compassion and respect.

[cnorman18]

[stmw]

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I think murdering others in the name of Christ is taking God's name in vain.

Do you apply this thought to ALL wars that involve religion as a cause?

I wouldn't say ALL wars, but I believe many wars were not desired by God. I think of the 100 years war between the Catholics and the Protestants as another example.

Are you knowledgeable enough about evolution to debate its implications with supported and substantiated arguments?

I was taught in college the distinctions between micro-evolution (small changes within a species) and macro-evolution (a species that takes the next step and changes into another species). I believe in micro-evolution, not macro-evolution. I believe more in the Creationist views.

Philosophy? I took philosophy in college. There was one thought that goes like this: "If I had a table in the attic, and I was not in my attic, how do I know the table still exists? How do I even know the attic still exists? How do I even know anything exists?" I think this is crazy.

Do you feel qualified to demean and dismiss philosophy on the basis of ONE college course?

Would you feel qualified to attempt to discredit philosophy in debate with people who have studied the field for many years and who might have taught college classes in the subject? There may be members of this forum who are highly trained philosophers. (Note: I am NOT one of them. My training was primarily in scientific fields).

What was your area of specialization in college?

I majored in engineering and took my 2 required classes in Philosophy. The reason I took them because I was looking for the "meaning of life", and it sounded very interesting. I suppose I was disappointed because I had high expectations. Anyway I did learn some interesting ideas, and I do not regret I took the classes. But I wonder about some of the ideas, especially the above mentioned, if the person was hallucinating.