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"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"

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Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?

If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?

If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?

What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:22 am
OneJack wrote: Mon May 25, 2026 8:09 pm
Did I not tell you that you have nothing to take, be it from the bible or today’s revelations from the Lord, except for the knowledge that there is God, who truly exists?
Even SATAN believes there is a God that truly exists... if your testimony is only that there is a God it is truly very little indeed.
Does Satan come to God to be saved?

The truth is the bible gives MUCH more information than that , it provides the words and testimonies of Jesus and the Prophets about God's personality, purpose and will for us as well as guidance and protection for those that wish to be saved.
Have you heard and learned that notion from the Lord God?
I accept that YOUR testimony has nothing more than "there is a God" but scripture is much more valuable.
The focus is on God alone, not on the scriptures, which cannot saved your/our soul/s.

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OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:35 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:22 am
OneJack wrote: Mon May 25, 2026 8:09 pm
Did I not tell you that you have nothing to take, be it from the bible or today’s revelations from the Lord, except for the knowledge that there is God, who truly exists?
Even SATAN believes there is a God that truly exists... if your testimony is only that there is a God it is truly very little indeed.
Does Satan come to God to be saved?
You did not say that there was more information that could be taken, you said that there is NOTHING to take from today’s revelations from the Lord, except for the knowledge that there is God, who truly exists. Nothing means NOTHING so that's all you have to give. I'll go to scripture if I want more thank you.
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OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:35 am Have you heard and learned that notion from the Lord God?
I have heard from the Lord God if that's what you want to know. I take it you are not claiming that only a paranormal experience qualities as "hearing from God"

OneJack wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:51 am =================================================
to CAPBOOK
OneJack wrote: Sat May 16, 2026 1:40 am... you’ve heard and learned nothing yet from the Lord Jesus ...
To JW
OneJack wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 10:14 pm... you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus, the Almighty God
TO RBD
OneJack wrote: Sun May 10, 2026 8:31 pm...you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus ...
to TAM
OneJack wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 2:25 am Have you heard this from the Almighty God?
to POI
OneJack wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 8:56 pm... you've heard nothing yet from the Almighty God
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:44 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 4:35 am Have you heard and learned that notion from the Lord God?
I have heard from the Lord God if that's what you want to know. I take it you are not claiming that only a paranormal experience qualities as "hearing from God"

OneJack wrote: Sun Jun 07, 2026 1:51 am =================================================
to CAPBOOK
OneJack wrote: Sat May 16, 2026 1:40 am... you’ve heard and learned nothing yet from the Lord Jesus ...
To JW
OneJack wrote: Fri May 15, 2026 10:14 pm... you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus, the Almighty God
TO RBD
OneJack wrote: Sun May 10, 2026 8:31 pm...you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus ...
to TAM
OneJack wrote: Thu May 21, 2026 2:25 am Have you heard this from the Almighty God?
to POI
OneJack wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2026 8:56 pm... you've heard nothing yet from the Almighty God
If you and they, except the atheists, have heard the truth from the Lord God, you’re all truly emancipated from the bondage of slavery to the bible, and the focus and object of your faith would only be the Lord Jesus Christ alone.

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OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 5:46 am If you and they, except the atheists, have heard the truth from the Lord God, you’re all truly emancipated from the bondage of slavery to the bible, and the focus and object of your faith would only be the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Can one be free from this bondage and still quote from it to settle matters of faith? I ask because you yourself quote the words from your so-called "Jesus" when various questions come up. Are you allowed to quote from your sources but we Christian are not to quote Jesus from ours?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:18 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 5:46 am If you and they, except the atheists, have heard the truth from the Lord God, you’re all truly emancipated from the bondage of slavery to the bible, and the focus and object of your faith would only be the Lord Jesus Christ alone.
Can one be free from this bondage and still quote from it to settle matters of faith? I ask because you yourself quote the words from your so-called "Jesus" when various questions come up. Are you allowed to quote from your sources but we Christian are not to quote Jesus from ours?
My quotes direct everyone to come straight to the real and forever living Christ Jesus. However, your quotes give undue and high regard to the bible itself and direct everyone to the bible/scriptures alone in search of the truth about God and salvation, but not to the Living God in the reality of His existence and living.

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:18 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:36 am My quotes direct everyone to come straight to the real and forever living Christ Jesus. However, your quotes give undue and high regard to the bible itself and direct everyone to the bible/scriptures alone in search of the truth about God and salvation, but not to the Living God in the reality of His existence and living.
FALSE : post verbatum where I said "bible/scriptures alone"

My quotes always direct to the words or actions of Almighty God or Jesus as testified by their Prophets or chosen messengers.

Jesus did exactly as I do. When asked questions of faith he often direct his audience to scripture. If Jesus can quote scripture why can't I?

Furtner, are you suggesting that if Almighty God says something (about any topic) and I quote God verbatem I am doing something I should not ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:57 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:36 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 6:18 am My quotes direct everyone to come straight to the real and forever living Christ Jesus. However, your quotes give undue and high regard to the bible itself and direct everyone to the bible/scriptures alone in search of the truth about God and salvation, but not to the Living God in the reality of His existence and living.
FALSE : post verbatum where I said "bible/scriptures alone"

My quotes always direct to the words or actions of Almighty God or Jesus as testified by their Prophets or chosen messengers.

Jesus did exactly as I do. When asked questions of faith he often direct his audience to scripture. If Jesus can quote scripture why can't I?

Furtner, are you suggesting that if Almighty God says something (about any topic) and I quote God verbatem I am doing something I should not ?
See where your response is anchored to - the alleged copies of testimonies of long gone men of God, which, when summed up, leads us only to the bible.

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OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 7:03 am See where your response is anchored to - the alleged copies of testimonies of long gone men of God, which, when summed up, leads us only to the bible.
I refered to the testimonies of Gods chosen Prophets because they spoke with Almighty God and quoted him verbatim. How is it when God speaks to Moses I can't even mention it without being accused of worshipping scripture but you can quote what God supossedly said to YOU twenty years ago every 5 mins and thats not worshipping the quote. Explain why you can refer to God speaking on a boulevard but I can't even MENTION God speaking at Mount Sinai.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 8:20 am
OneJack wrote: Sat Jul 04, 2026 7:03 am See where your response is anchored to - the alleged copies of testimonies of long gone men of God, which, when summed up, leads us only to the bible.
I refered to tge testimonies of Gods chosen Prophets because they spoke with Almightt Gos ans quoted him verbatum. How is it when God speaks to Moses I can't even mention it without being accused of worshipping scripture but you can quote what God supossedly said to YOU twenty years ago every 5 mins and thats not worshipping the quote. Explain why you can refer to God speaking on a boulevard but I can't even MENTION God speaking at Mount Sinai.
Whatever you say, your narrative leans on the bible and draws your readers to it alone. You’re too scared to let go of the bible in lieu/favor of the real and forever living Almighty God, whose name is Jesus Christ, the Savior of all.

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