The consistent events from Jesus' burial to His ascension

[RBD]

Here is the consistent timeline in order from the burial of Jesus, to His ascension 40 days later.

Many women from Galilee follow Joseph and Nicodemus to see Jesus laid in the tomb. Magdalen and the other Mary are specifically mentioned. (John 19) (Mark 15) Afterward that evening, some of the other women go home to prepare spices and ointments for Jesus' body. (Luke 23)

The next day on the high Sabbath, the chief priests go to Pilate for a guard on the tomb. (Matthew 27)

In the night, there's another earthquake, and an angel in appearance as lighting rolls away the stone, making the soldiers become as dead. (Matthew 28) Jesus either resurrects at this time, or any time during the night beforehand. At some time in the night, the guards awaken and depart the empty tomb, to report to the chief priests.

Magdalen comes later in the dark before dawn, and finds the tomb empty. She tells Peter and the other disciple, and they come running to see the tomb empty. They enter to see and depart. (John 20)

Magdalen remains behind and sees two angels in the tomb, and then Jesus Himself alive outside the tomb. She is the first person on earth to see Him after His resurrection. While still dark, she returns again to tell the disciples of His resurrection, and they don't believe it. (John 20) (Mark 16)

Magdalen, the other Mary, Salome, and the other women from Galilee, including Joanna, arrive at the tomb in the morning light. One group arrives with their prepared spices and ointments, while Magdalen's group arrives with bought sweet spices. They find the tomb empty. (Mark 16) (Luke 24)

Magdalen, the other Mary, and Salome are met by the angel that rolled away the stone, and are told to see in the tomb where the Lord had lain. Another angel sitting therein tell them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee to see Jesus. (Matthew 28) (Mark 16) The other women including Joanna enter the tomb and see no one, and while standing outside are met by two more angels, that send them also to the disciples to go to Galilee to meet Jesus. (Luke 24)

All the women depart and en route meet Jesus, and hold His feet in worship. He also sends them all to tell the disciples to meet Him in Galilee. They all then tell the disciples these things, and they don't believe it. (Matthew 28)

Peter runs to the tomb a second time and ponders these things. (Luke 24)

Jesus next appears to Cleopas and another disciple on the road to Emmaus, and later toward evening they recognize Him at table, and He vanishes from their sight. In that hour, they go to the eleven to tell them of Jesus' resurrection. They don't believe it. Luke 24) (Mark 16) Peter has now also seen the Lord Jesus. Paul reports that Jesus also appeared to James at some time.

At evening, Jesus now first appears to the disciples with the others in the their midst, and shows He is indeed resurrected bodily from the dead, and not only a spirit, by showing His hands and side, and eats some fish. Thomas is not with them. (Luke 24) (John 20)

8 days later, He appears to the eleven with Thomas as they sat at meat, and upbraids them for their unbelief, and also challenges Thomas to insert His fingers into his hands, and his hand into Jesus' side. (Mark 16) (John 20)

Afterward on another day, Peter goes a fishin' at the sea of Galilee with 6 other disciples, including Thomas, Nathanael, the sons of thunder, and 2 other disciples. For the third time after His resurrection, Jesus meets His disciples on the Galilee shore with food on a fire. They all know Him. (John 21)

Afterward on another day, all the disciples meet Jesus at the Galilee mount, that He had appointed them, and worshipped Him. Some doubted what to do. (Matthew 28)

On the 40th day after His resurrection, He leads all the disciples and many others to Bethany on Mt Olivet. (Luke 24) (Acts 1) There He gives His great commission with promise of the Holy Ghost, and ascends to heaven to be recieved up in a cloud. The disciples remain standing and looking upward for Jesus, until two angels come to remind them to go to Jerusalem, and wait for the promise of the Father.

These are a consistent order of events from the 4 gospels and Acts 1.

Paul confirms Peter saw the Lord first before the other apostles, on the evening of the first day of His resurrection, and that above 500 saw Him during the 40 days after. He was also seen by James after the evening of the first day, either before His second appearance to them on the 8th day, or afterward before the sea of Galilee for the third time.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #260]

And so, prove all the eleven had already worshipped Jesus, or even acknowledged Him Lord and God as Thomas, and then you have a sure contradiction. Them that had already worshipped Him, now doubted worshipping Him.

Going back to the disciples' room eight days after the resurrection, when the others hear Thomas address Jesus as "my Lord and my God" and hear Jesus respond to him with, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed”, they would understand that Jesus is confirming Thomas' address. They would therefore believe it also, hearing the confirmation directly from Jesus himself.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #260]

And so, prove all the eleven had already worshipped Jesus, or even acknowledged Him Lord and God as Thomas, and then you have a sure contradiction. Them that had already worshipped Him, now doubted worshipping Him.

Going back to the disciples' room eight days after the resurrection, when the others hear Thomas address Jesus as "my Lord and my God" and hear Jesus respond to him with, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed”, they would understand that Jesus is confirming Thomas' address. They would therefore believe it also, hearing the confirmation directly from Jesus himself.

Avoiding challenges is admission of failed argument.

Show where all eleven disciples worshipped Jesus before the mount at Galilee, and the context of some doubting to worship at Galilee would be a contradiction.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #262]

Avoiding challenges is admission of failed argument.

Show where all eleven disciples worshipped Jesus before the mount at Galilee

Show where any of the other ten disciples disagreed with Thomas's proclamation.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #262]

Avoiding challenges is admission of failed argument.

Show where all eleven disciples worshipped Jesus before the mount at Galilee

Show where any of the other ten disciples disagreed with Thomas's proclamation.

Mat 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


Since some still doubted about worshipping Him as Lord and God, then some still doubted He was Lord and God, though indeed risen from the dead.

And so, there is no proof they all worshipped Jesus as Lord and God before, and including at the Galilee mount.

Unless you have something new, moving on. Thanks.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #264]

Mat 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


Since some still doubted about worshipping Him as Lord and God, then some still doubted He was Lord and God, though indeed risen from the dead.

And so, there is no proof they all worshipped Jesus as Lord and God before, and including at the Galilee mount.

Show that they didn't merely doubt for joy, as in Luke 24:41.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #264]

Mat 28:17
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


Since some still doubted about worshipping Him as Lord and God, then some still doubted He was Lord and God, though indeed risen from the dead.

And so, there is no proof they all worshipped Jesus as Lord and God before, and including at the Galilee mount.

Show that they didn't merely doubt for joy, as in Luke 24:41.

Good play. But that cigar won't light.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #266]

Show that they didn't merely doubt for joy, as in Luke 24:41.

Good play. But that cigar won't light.

So, you can't show that.

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #266]

Show that they didn't merely doubt for joy, as in Luke 24:41.

Good play. But that cigar won't light.

So, you can't show that.

While I enjoy a good quip, I don't take them seriously. Thanks.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #266]

Show that they didn't merely doubt for joy, as in Luke 24:41.

Good play. But that cigar won't light.

So, you can't show that.

While I enjoy a good quip, I don't take them seriously. Thanks.

If my cigar won't light, then yours won't either.

Taking god's words literally, which is necessary to prove literal contradiction, he did not command any sacrifices and burnt offerings in the day He led the people out of Egypt.

Do the literal words have Mary Magdalene withhholding information about the open tomb from the other women? No.

Do the literal words have Paul's companions lying about whether or not they heard a voice? No.

Those assumptions are not

in keeping with the record

and without those assumptions in the record, the contradictions they're supposed to harmonize remain.


You've been utilizing a double-standard when in comes to what is and isn't in the biblical record. It isn't about my "gotcha questions". It's about your goalpost-moving.