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All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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Does the Bible contain all the teachings and words of Jesus Christ ?

Does the Bible give indication or evidence that there are more of his teachings that we do not currently have?

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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 9:06 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #99]
How did you become a Christian? What exactly did you do?
I was raised in a nominally Christian home, though I don't see how that's relevant to the discussion we're having here.
Thanks for your acknowledgment; you’re a Christian. Christians believe Jesus is the Almighty God who came in the flesh - the flesh of the man who was called the Son of God, per se. Haven’t you heard and learned that from the Lord Jesus?

Could you please tell me what exactly you mean with your phrase, ‘which they do not believe of the Bible?’
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Re: All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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[Replying to OneJack in post #101]
Thanks for your acknowledgment; you’re a Christian.
I told you how I was raised. I've experienced a lot since then.
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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 10:06 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #101]
Thanks for your acknowledgment; you’re a Christian.
I told you how I was raised. I've experienced a lot since then.
Could you please tell me what exactly you mean with your phrase, ‘which they do not believe of the Bible?’

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[Replying to OneJack in post #103]
Could you please tell me what exactly you mean with your phrase, ‘which they do not believe of the Bible?’
Christians believe that the Bible is the written word of God. They do not believe that the Bible is the word made flesh. That's what they believe Jesus is.
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Athetotheist wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 11:11 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #103]
Could you please tell me what exactly you mean with your phrase, ‘which they do not believe of the Bible?’
Christians believe that the Bible is the written word of God.
I'm sorry, but the Lord Jesus Christ did not teach that to His disciples. He defined the scriptures/Bible as testimonies to Him that He truly exists, so that people may come to Him for their salvation and eternal life. God's words come out from the mouth of the Lord Jesus, to whom we have to come to hear [from Him] the fresh words of God. You were supposed to learn this from the Lord Jesus Christ, being a Christian.
They do not believe that the Bible is the word made flesh.
Okay, we're on the same boat here.
That's what they believe Jesus is.
The appropriate phrase for this would be 'Jesus is the Almighty God who came in the flesh - the flesh of the man who was called the Son of God, per se. Jesus is God, not was God, which the Word in John 1:1 connoted.

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Re: All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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[Replying to OneJack in post #105]

Christians believe that the Bible is the written word of God.
I'm sorry, but the Lord Jesus Christ did not teach that to His disciples. He defined the scriptures/Bible as testimonies to Him that He truly exists
Then you have a problem. You cast scriptures as testimonies that he exists but you have those testimonies full of errors, so you can't trust them.
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Athetotheist wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 8:36 am [Replying to OneJack in post #105]

Christians believe that the Bible is the written word of God.
I'm sorry, but the Lord Jesus Christ did not teach that to His disciples. He defined the scriptures/Bible as testimonies to Him that He truly exists
Then you have a problem. You cast scriptures as testimonies that he exists but you have those testimonies full of errors, so you can't trust them.
The phrase 'testimonies to Jesus' simply means proofs that Jesus is real and alive; He truly exists. Whether those testimonies are full of errors or not, His existence remains intact and true, and the role of the scriptures in testifying to Jesus remains intact in itself. That's why if you are looking for the truth, you have to come and call on the Lord and seek from Him the truth you're looking for, and you are not obliged to render trust and confidence in the scriptures, but in the Lord alone.

You should have learned these things from the Lord Jesus since He is the Pastor and Teacher of all Christians, across all generations.

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Re: All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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[Replying to OneJack in post #107]
The phrase 'testimonies to Jesus' simply means proofs that Jesus is real and alive; He truly exists. Whether those testimonies are full of errors or not, His existence remains intact and true, and the role of the scriptures in testifying to Jesus remains intact in itself. That's why if you are looking for the truth, you have to come and call on the Lord and seek from Him the truth you're looking for, and you are not obliged to render trust and confidence in the scriptures, but in the Lord alone.
Then why need scriptures to be testimonies?
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Re: All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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Athetotheist wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2026 10:58 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #107]
The phrase 'testimonies to Jesus' simply means proofs that Jesus is real and alive; He truly exists. Whether those testimonies are full of errors or not, His existence remains intact and true, and the role of the scriptures in testifying to Jesus remains intact in itself. That's why if you are looking for the truth, you have to come and call on the Lord and seek from Him the truth you're looking for, and you are not obliged to render trust and confidence in the scriptures, but in the Lord alone.
Then why need scriptures to be testimonies?
Two things:

1. For people to know that God is real and alive forever, and

2. For people to come to God to have salvation and everlasting life.

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Re: All the words and teachings of Jesus?

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[Replying to OneJack in post #109]
Then why need scriptures to be testimonies?
Two things:

1. For people to know that God is real and alive forever, and

2. For people to come to God to have salvation and everlasting life.
Why couldn't that be conveyed without scripture? Did you need any scripture to come to all the knowledge you claim to have?
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