Christianity As A Religious Group (Sect)

[OneJack]

1. Did the Lord Jesus Christ, during His incarnation among the apostles and disciples, establish a religious sect that many call Christianity today?

2. Do we need to be affiliated with or members of this group to become Christians?

3. How could we become true followers of the Lord Jesus Christ?

[1213]

Aren’t the words of Jesus only in Himself, the ones that exactly come out from His mouth every time He utters them?

I think his recorded words are also his.

[OneJack]

Aren’t the words of Jesus only in Himself, the ones that exactly come out from His mouth every time He utters them?

I think his recorded words are also his.

You need the real and forever living Christ Jesus to know exactly the true words He uttered in the past, which are now adulterously written in the bible.

[bjs1]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #22]

You have lost me here. The command in Hebrews 10:25 is to “not give up meeting together.” I honestly do not understand what makes you say there is no command in that passage. Can you explain your reasoning?

I said that Hebrews 10:25 is a verse in the Bible; it does not speak and has no life in itself to speak to and command you to do something. Do you read me now?

Not really. Hebrews 10:25 is a written command. That is still a command.

You call it absurd, yet it is plainly true. Everything we know about our Lord’s teachings comes from his disciples.

Yes, this is absurd! Everything about the Lord, written or not, must come only from the Lord Himself; the apostles and disciples were all hearers and followers only. Anything that does not come from the Lord with respect to His teachings is not the Lord's, do you agree?

Every one of Jesus’ teachings that you know came to you by means of his disciples.

FALSE, and this is a lie! Kindly tell me if the teaching hereunder [from the Lord Jesus] came to me by means of His disciples, who are all long gone.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

If you want to prove my claim false, then it should be easy enough. Name one of Jesus' teachings that did not come to you from his disciples.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"And remember, in My church, no one will stand to explain the holy scriptures or lead people as they explain, and they will stand as pastors, because in My church, I am the only Pastor who stands before you. Remember, when two or three discuss Me without any argument, I am in their midst."

If you should not accept the Apostles’ teaching, shouldn’t we be far more inclined to reject anything you say about Jesus?

[OneJack]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #22]

You have lost me here. The command in Hebrews 10:25 is to “not give up meeting together.” I honestly do not understand what makes you say there is no command in that passage. Can you explain your reasoning?

I said that Hebrews 10:25 is a verse in the Bible; it does not speak and has no life in itself to speak to and command you to do something. Do you read me now?

Not really. Hebrews 10:25 is a written command. That is still a command.

You call it absurd, yet it is plainly true. Everything we know about our Lord’s teachings comes from his disciples.

Yes, this is absurd! Everything about the Lord, written or not, must come only from the Lord Himself; the apostles and disciples were all hearers and followers only. Anything that does not come from the Lord with respect to His teachings is not the Lord's, do you agree?

Every one of Jesus’ teachings that you know came to you by means of his disciples.

FALSE, and this is a lie! Kindly tell me if the teaching hereunder [from the Lord Jesus] came to me by means of His disciples, who are all long gone.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

If you want to prove my claim false, then it should be easy enough. Name one of Jesus' teachings that did not come to you from his disciples.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"And remember, in My church, no one will stand to explain the holy scriptures or lead people as they explain, and they will stand as pastors, because in My church, I am the only Pastor who stands before you. Remember, when two or three discuss Me without any argument, I am in their midst."

If you should not accept the Apostles’ teaching, shouldn’t we be far more inclined to reject anything you say about Jesus?

You have nothing to accept from the bible and even these things I'm testifying about the Lord, except the information/knowledge that God truly exists, so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. It takes the real and forever living Christ Jesus for all of us to be saved, and to know God through Himself.

[bjs1]

You have nothing to accept from the bible and even these things I'm testifying about the Lord, except the information/knowledge that God truly exists, so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. It takes the real and forever living Christ Jesus for all of us to be saved, and to know God through Himself.

It's kind of weird that you tell us to accept nothing from the Bible, but then tell us to accept things that you have gotten from the Bible.

[OneJack]

You have nothing to accept from the bible and even these things I'm testifying about the Lord, except the information/knowledge that God truly exists, so that we may come to Him for our salvation and eternal life. It takes the real and forever living Christ Jesus for all of us to be saved, and to know God through Himself.

It's kind of weird that you tell us to accept nothing from the Bible, but then tell us to accept things that you have gotten from the Bible.

Accept nothing, except the testimonies [of the bible] that God truly exists, in whom we can come to for us to have life. What is weird about that? We will only be saved if we come to God, not to the bible.

[1213]

You need the real and forever living Christ Jesus to know exactly the true words He uttered in the past, which are now adulterously written in the bible.

Sorry, if you preach some other Jesus than the Bible Jesus, I reject it, because:

I wonder that you are so quickly being transferred from Him having called you by the grace of Christ to another gospel, which is not another; only there are some troubling you and desiring to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel out of Heaven, should announce a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal. 1:6-8

But, how do you know the Bible is adulterously written?

[OneJack]

You need the real and forever living Christ Jesus to know exactly the true words He uttered in the past, which are now adulterously written in the bible.

Sorry, if you preach some other Jesus than the Bible Jesus, I reject it, because:

I wonder that you are so quickly being transferred from Him having called you by the grace of Christ to another gospel, which is not another; only there are some troubling you and desiring to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel out of Heaven, should announce a gospel to you beside what we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal. 1:6-8

But, how do you know the Bible is adulterously written?

The Lord Jesus came into our lives in 2001, and He randomly shepherded us until 2014. The Lord said the following:

Seventeen people wrote the holy scriptures, and all of them added to what they wrote because even then, their thoughts were already different.
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Only your Lord can teach you the meaning of sin, especially since there are many errors and [narratives] not included in the Bible.

What other gospel will come to you if you come to and call on the real and forever living Christ Jesus for your salvation and eternal life, which the bible absolutely can’t give you?

[1213]

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The Lord Jesus came into our lives in 2001, and He randomly shepherded us until 2014. The Lord said the following:
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Why do you believe he was Jesus?

[OneJack]

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The Lord Jesus came into our lives in 2001, and He randomly shepherded us until 2014. The Lord said the following:
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Why do you believe he was Jesus?

He revealed Himself [to us] as the Almighty God.