Christianity As A Religious Group (Sect)

[OneJack]

1. Did the Lord Jesus Christ, during His incarnation among the apostles and disciples, establish a religious sect that many call Christianity today?

2. Do we need to be affiliated with or members of this group to become Christians?

3. How could we become true followers of the Lord Jesus Christ?

[lastdaysbeliever]

Could you tell us the way to have the right Christology? Who will teach that to us?


Again, how can we follow the Way, which is the Lord Jesus alone? What shall we do to be able to follow the Lord Jesus until the end so that we are always saved?



Thus saith the Lord Jesus today:

"I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

I get the sense you don't believe Scripture is the rule and standard for the faith given us by Jesus.

Could show us where and when Jesus instructed His disciples/apostles/sons/friends to make the scriptures the 'rule and standard for the faith given by Him (Jesus) to them?

So far, the Lord has this to say about the scriptures, to wit:

John 5:39. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Please reference where.you got this quote:

I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

Those words were uttered to us by the Lord Jesus in the year 2001 when He came into our lives. He shepherded us randomly for approximately 14 years.

Could you kindly respond to my question this time?

With any due respect, hard stop. Who is "us" and how do you know it was "the Lord Jesus"? How do YOU test who your entity claimed to be and what your entity told you? See, it's very clear to me what you claim "the Lord Jesus" gave "Us" is a lie, meant to lead sincere seekers of the Lord astray and very similar to what Satan used Joseph Smith to claim amd yoked millions to the satanic lie of mormonism.

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

*edited for clarity of comment

[bjs1]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #11]

Hebrews 10:25 directly commands us to “not giving up meeting together.”

Hebrews 10:25 is a biblical verse, and it does not command you anything, does it? How could a verse, which does not speak and live, speak to you in this context?

You have lost me here. The command in Hebrews 10:25 is to “not give up meeting together.” I honestly do not understand what makes you say there is no command in that passage. Can you explain your reasoning?

Jesus did not write anything down. Everything we know about our Lord’s teachings comes from his Disciples.

This is quite absurd. Are you saying Jesus' teachings are incomplete, and the disciples were the ones who completed them? If everything we have to know about the Lord's teachings comes from the disciples, then we are, undoubtedly, knowing the disciples' teachings, not the Lord Jesus' teachings. How could this have happened to us?

You call it absurd, yet it is plainly true. Everything we know about our Lord’s teachings comes from his disciples. Every one of Jesus’ teachings that you know came to you by means of his disciples.

If you want to prove my claim false, then it should be easy enough. Name one of Jesus' teachings that did not come to you from his disciples.

[1213]

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Is your phrase, 'the words of Jesus', the words allegedly uttered by Jesus [written] in the bible?

Yes.

[OneJack]

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Is your phrase, 'the words of Jesus', the words allegedly uttered by Jesus [written] in the bible?

Yes.

Is the bible the words of Jesus then?

[OneJack]

[Replying to bjs1 in post #22]

You have lost me here. The command in Hebrews 10:25 is to “not give up meeting together.” I honestly do not understand what makes you say there is no command in that passage. Can you explain your reasoning?

I said that Hebrews 10:25 is a verse in the Bible; it does not speak and has no life in itself to speak to and command you to do something. Do you read me now?

You call it absurd, yet it is plainly true. Everything we know about our Lord’s teachings comes from his disciples.

Yes, this is absurd! Everything about the Lord, written or not, must come only from the Lord Himself; the apostles and disciples were all hearers and followers only. Anything that does not come from the Lord with respect to His teachings is not the Lord's, do you agree?

Every one of Jesus’ teachings that you know came to you by means of his disciples.

FALSE, and this is a lie! Kindly tell me if the teaching hereunder [from the Lord Jesus] came to me by means of His disciples, who are all long gone.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

If you want to prove my claim false, then it should be easy enough. Name one of Jesus' teachings that did not come to you from his disciples.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"And remember, in My church, no one will stand to explain the holy scriptures or lead people as they explain, and they will stand as pastors, because in My church, I am the only Pastor who stands before you. Remember, when two or three discuss Me without any argument, I am in their midst."

[OneJack]

I get the sense you don't believe Scripture is the rule and standard for the faith given us by Jesus.

Could show us where and when Jesus instructed His disciples/apostles/sons/friends to make the scriptures the 'rule and standard for the faith given by Him (Jesus) to them?

So far, the Lord has this to say about the scriptures, to wit:

John 5:39. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Please reference where.you got this quote:

I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

Those words were uttered to us by the Lord Jesus in the year 2001 when He came into our lives. He shepherded us randomly for approximately 14 years.

Could you kindly respond to my question this time?

With any due respect, hard stop. Who is "us" and how do you know it was "the Lord Jesus"?

My family, friends, and relatives are the 'us' in my post; we are the ones whom the Lord visited in 2001. He randomly shepherded us for approximately 14 years. The Lord Jesus proved Himself to us beyond a reasonable doubt that He is the Almighty God. The Lord continues to guide us to this time.

How do YOU test who your entity claimed to be and what your entity told you?

We asked the Lord to show us that He is the Almighty God, and He did it to us without fail

See, it's very clear to me what you claim "the Lord Jesus" gave "Us" is a lie,

On what basis do you say what we claim about the Lord Jesus is a lie? Could you point us to the specific part in the utterance of the Lord Jesus that you say is a lie?

meant to lead sincere seekers of the Lord astray and very similar to what Satan used Joseph Smith to claim amd yoked millions to the satanic lie of mormonism.

How could you be led astray when you come to and call on the Lord Jesus? I'm not wooing you to join a local church and get yourself a member thereof, am I?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

*edited for clarity of comment

That's why in the utterance of the Lord Jesus, He calls on all to come to Him to have life.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord."

[lastdaysbeliever]

Could show us where and when Jesus instructed His disciples/apostles/sons/friends to make the scriptures the 'rule and standard for the faith given by Him (Jesus) to them?

So far, the Lord has this to say about the scriptures, to wit:

John 5:39. You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Please reference where.you got this quote:

I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

Those words were uttered to us by the Lord Jesus in the year 2001 when He came into our lives. He shepherded us randomly for approximately 14 years.

Could you kindly respond to my question this time?

With any due respect, hard stop. Who is "us" and how do you know it was "the Lord Jesus"?

My family, friends, and relatives are the 'us' in my post; we are the ones whom the Lord visited in 2001. He randomly shepherded us for approximately 14 years. The Lord Jesus proved Himself to us beyond a reasonable doubt that He is the Almighty God. The Lord continues to guide us to this time.

How do YOU test who your entity claimed to be and what your entity told you?

We asked the Lord to show us that He is the Almighty God, and He did it to us without fail

See, it's very clear to me what you claim "the Lord Jesus" gave "Us" is a lie,

On what basis do you say what we claim about the Lord Jesus is a lie? Could you point us to the specific part in the utterance of the Lord Jesus that you say is a lie?

meant to lead sincere seekers of the Lord astray and very similar to what Satan used Joseph Smith to claim amd yoked millions to the satanic lie of mormonism.

How could you be led astray when you come to and call on the Lord Jesus? I'm not wooing you to join a local church and get yourself a member thereof, am I?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

*edited for clarity of comment

That's why in the utterance of the Lord Jesus, He calls on all to come to Him to have life.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord."

You claimed that this Jesus stated: "I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me.". But this directly contradicts Scripture where He said He would send the comforter. The comforter whom would lead us into all truth. Not Himself but the Holy Spirit. Just scratching the surface of your claims proves this entity you claim "visited" and "randomly shephered you over 14 years" is a liar and false messiah. Not Jesus Christ. My Lord, God and Savior. Through His Spirit we have discernment and can tell truth from lies, which the words you claim this entity gave you is. Lies. Those words mostly sound good, but are a little truth stuffed with lies. Get in the word. Study the Bible and what God has given us, for His word is sharper than any two edged sword.

That's all I will have to say and will not interact further with you. I am saddened, heart broken, for you, your family, friends and relatives (another claim) that you have fallen prey to this false Jesus but the real Jesus, He warned us that this would happen. You just chose to ignore His warning.

ldb

*edited for spelling, punctuation and grammar.

[OneJack]

Please reference where.you got this quote:

I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me. If you explain to one another, it's only according to your own will, according to your own thoughts. So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me."

Those words were uttered to us by the Lord Jesus in the year 2001 when He came into our lives. He shepherded us randomly for approximately 14 years.

Could you kindly respond to my question this time?

With any due respect, hard stop. Who is "us" and how do you know it was "the Lord Jesus"?

My family, friends, and relatives are the 'us' in my post; we are the ones whom the Lord visited in 2001. He randomly shepherded us for approximately 14 years. The Lord Jesus proved Himself to us beyond a reasonable doubt that He is the Almighty God. The Lord continues to guide us to this time.

How do YOU test who your entity claimed to be and what your entity told you?

We asked the Lord to show us that He is the Almighty God, and He did it to us without fail

See, it's very clear to me what you claim "the Lord Jesus" gave "Us" is a lie,

On what basis do you say what we claim about the Lord Jesus is a lie? Could you point us to the specific part in the utterance of the Lord Jesus that you say is a lie?

meant to lead sincere seekers of the Lord astray and very similar to what Satan used Joseph Smith to claim amd yoked millions to the satanic lie of mormonism.

How could you be led astray when you come to and call on the Lord Jesus? I'm not wooing you to join a local church and get yourself a member thereof, am I?

Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5 For many will come in my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

*edited for clarity of comment

That's why in the utterance of the Lord Jesus, He calls on all to come to Him to have life.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus:

"Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord."

You claimed that this Jesus stated: "I am the Pastor, I am the Good Pastor. Remember, no one else will teach you except Me.". But this directly contradicts Scripture where He said He would send the comforter. The comforter whom would lead us into all truth. Not Himself but the Holy Spirit. Just scratching the surface of your claims proves this entity you claim "visited" and "randomly shephered you over 14 years" is a liar and false messiah. Not Jesus Christ. My Lord, God and Savior. Through His Spirit we have discernment and can tell truth from lies, which the words you claim this entity gave you is. Lies. Those words mostly sound good, but are a little truth stuffed with lies. Get in the word. Study the Bible and what God has given us, for His word is sharper than any two edged sword.

That's all I will have to say and will not interact further with you. I am saddened, heart broken, for you, your family, friends and relatives (another claim) that you have fallen prey to this false Jesus but the real Jesus, He warned us that this would happen. You just chose to ignore His warning.

ldb

*edited for spelling, punctuation and grammar.

All I can say is that the Bible, to which you are deeply enslaved, is not the real and forever living Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Savior, whom we all need to be saved. The bible cannot save you, no matter how diligent you study its pages day and night.

[1213]

...Is the bible the words of Jesus then?

The parts that are told Jesus said.

[OneJack]

...Is the bible the words of Jesus then?

The parts that are told Jesus said.

Aren’t the words of Jesus only in Himself, the ones that exactly come out from His mouth every time He utters them?