"Take my word for it, or his, or this book"

[Zzyzx]

Most of us probably know better than to believe everything said or written. If someone tells us they can fly by flapping their arms, our response is likely disbelief and a request that they ‘show me’. If they refuse to demonstrate or fail in flapping, we regard their claim as false. Agreed?

If a person claims to have come back to life after being dead for days none of us are likely to believe the claim unless it could be verified. Right?

If someone writes that fifty years ago a long-dead person came back to life and flew away into the sky, what would be your / our likely reaction? Would we be convinced if they say ‘many saw him’?

What would it take to convince us that the tale was true?

[OneJack]

[Replying to William in post #379]

Your original statement was "The Lord taught us to ask the one who claims he is Jesus or the Almighty God if He is"

JW responded to this by saying "What good would asking that be ? If it were the Devil, would he not lie since (according to the verbatim words of Jesus when he was in the Flesh) the devil " is a liar"? In short if someone were to ask the Devil "are you really Jesus ?" or "Are you really the Lord God who created the heavens and earth, and all things." OBVIOUSLY the Devil will say "I am" because the Devil is a LIAR"

How sure are you that the devil will bite the bait and say, at once, 'I am the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth? The devil is well aware that Jesus is always watching all of His creations, no exceptions. He (devil) will not dare bite that bait because he knows the consequences he will suffer should he say those phrases that only the Lord God is entitled to utter. Satan and his devil know their limitations; hence, your and JW's opinion in this issue does not apply to them.

I pointed out "If demonic deception is so pervasive and powerful that it can simulate God, Jesus, near-death experiences, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances - then the Bible itself becomes unreliable."

You respond to that with "Even if we delete the 'If' clause above, the bible is unreliable, indeed, since it contains many contradictions and errors. Also, the bible is not the Lord God, who is the only one reliable at all times."

My response to that is to ask you if you believe demonic deception is so pervasive and powerful that it can simulate God, Jesus, near-death experiences, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances

NO, the demons and even Satan cannot do those things unless God allows them for a purpose.

Or were you meaning something else? For example by deleting the "if" in my statement, one also would have to delete the "then" - which would read "demonic deception is so pervasive and powerful that it can simulate God, Jesus, near-death experiences, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances"

It would read only 'then the Bible itself becomes unreliable.'

My question to you at this point has to do with your original statement which JW responded to.

You wrote: " Lord taught us to ask the one who claims he is Jesus or the Almighty God if He is" Who is this "the one" you are referring to and how do you know that his answer would be true or false?

The one, which I'm referring to in my quote, is anyone who claims he/she is Jesus, or the Almighty God, or the Son of God. I will base my conclusion on everything he/she says on what we've heard and learned from the Lord.

For example, there are any number of folk - both incarcerated in institutions and roaming free in society, who claim such things. How would you be able to tell which is "the one" and that he is being true or false about the claim being made?

Same as above.

[William]

[Replying to tam in post #380]

Christ makes the call as to who are His true followers. He knows His sheep. He knows who belongs to Him.

Does the voice you believe is Christs ever share with you "who are His true followers"?

Christ taught me this. A person - not an 'it'.

Until it is established that you speak the truth, or the voice you hear is speaking the truth it is best imo to refer to the voice as "it"

How can you ask me what He taught me - when you have been on the thread where I share what He taught me?

Can you give some examples of this actually having been the case?

Christ - the person, the Son of God. His word - His written and/or spoken words.

Are you claiming that Christ wrote words? Or are you saying those words are what are in the Bible?

I test the message because my Lord taught me to do so.

Yes - you have said this on a number of occasions. I am still trying to ascertain what the process of testing it is that was taught to you. (That is what I meant when I asked "What - exactly - did it [the voice] teach you about that?"

If I am discussing with someone, I would put up His words so that they/we can compare the message/belief to Him, to His words.

Where do you source those words?

By 'the rest' I mean what the other person does with the information.

The question I asked was "Do you think that anyone who doesn't hear an actual voice in their mind which identifies itself as Christ, and experiencing The Christ in the way you claim to, are not true followers of Christ?"

So I am specifically asking you what you do with the information and why you do with the information what you do with the information.

So, if someone tells you they hear from Christ but not as a voice the way you say you hear from Christ, how do you regard these ones? For example, do you think of them as brethren? Or do you suspect that they do not actually hear a voice as you do, that they are not really hearing Christ at all? Or do you ask the voice you believe to be Christ to tell you? Presently you appear to be saying that you don't care because it is not up to you to know this. If that is the case, then why would you argue that if someone wants to know if you truly are hearing the voice of Christ, they need only to ask Christ themselves.

Are you asking because you have never said such a thing to anyone? If so, then how can you say that you have ever used these supposed message tests and thus how can you know if such tests actually work?

Again, do you have an example?

Not one I can lay my hands on at this time, which is why I asked if you recall ever saying such a thing to anyone and if not, then how can you say that you have ever used these supposed message tests and thus how can you know if such tests actually work?

However, since you at this time and place appear to have no recall yourself, we shall place this to one side for the time being.

What we can do though is focus on your defence that if someone wants to know for sure that what you claim about the voice is true, one need only "ask Christ".

I am wondering how doing so will reveal any truth.

Let's say that person "A" asks Christ and Christ says "No. The voice tam listens to and thinks is mine, is not my voice."
Let's say that person "B" asks Christ and Christ says "Yes. The voice tam listens to and thinks is mine, is my voice."

Which person should be believed? "A" or "B"?

Do you see the dilemma therein tam? Telling people that if they want to know if you are speaking the truth they should ask Christ, rather than you're submitting the suitable evidence you have been asked to, for others to examine, does not grant you the free pass you might believe that it does, or ought grant you.

[William]

[Replying to OneJack in post #381]

How sure are you that the devil will bite the bait and say, at once, 'I am the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth? The devil is well aware that Jesus is always watching all of His creations, no exceptions. He (devil) will not dare bite that bait because he knows the consequences he will suffer should he say those phrases that only the Lord God is entitled to utter. Satan and his devil know their limitations; hence, your and JW's opinion in this issue does not apply to them.

To be clear - my stated opinion is that using such defence as JW and tam use re deceptive spirits opens up that pandora's box and makes anything untrustworthy...simply by elevating these supposed entitles to have powers equal to God - (or to claim such entities have those kinds of powers)...

Even if such are limited to being able to deceive human beings, the same pandora's box of problems spills forth. Who can trust whom? The whole dilemma created by such belief cannot be understated.

The problem is that any belief system which acknowledges powerful, deceptive spirits while claiming access to special revelation must provide a way to distinguish the two.

My response to that is to ask you if you believe demonic deception is so pervasive and powerful that it can simulate God, Jesus, near-death experiences, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances

NO, the demons and even Satan cannot do those things unless God allows them for a purpose.

Your proviso therein, allows that box to open. By saying "unless God allows them for a purpose" would thus have to include what that purpose was - and clearly - otherwise the problem remains unresolvable.

If God allows demonic deception for a purpose, then any instance of claimed revelation could be one of those allowed deceptions. Without knowing God's purpose in each specific case, the believer has no way to know whether a given revelation is from God or a demonic deception that God has "allowed".

Also, why do you think God requires a devil to do the dirty work as it were?

Or were you meaning something else? For example by deleting the "if" in my statement, one also would have to delete the "then" - which would read "demonic deception is so pervasive and powerful that it can simulate God, Jesus, near-death experiences, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances"

It would read only 'then the Bible itself becomes unreliable.'

Therefore anything contained within the bible is unreliable. This would include God, Jesus, biblical visions, prophetic utterances, and even the apparent resurrection appearances..and possibly even near-death experiences...all of which were listed. It would also include statements about deceptive spirits the devil, angels et al...

You wrote: " Lord taught us to ask the one who claims he is Jesus or the Almighty God if He is" Who is this "the one" you are referring to and how do you know that his answer would be true or false?

The one, which I'm referring to in my quote, is anyone who claims he/she is Jesus, or the Almighty God, or the Son of God. I will base my conclusion on everything he/she says on what we've heard and learned from the Lord.

Tammy claims as much as well. Yet niether of you are convinced that the other is "hearing the Lord". Noether of you appear to be saying that they are "Jesus, or the Almighty God, or the Son of God" so one would think there ought be no problem in aligning...yet...well...apparently there is...

[Realworldjack]

[Replying to tam in post #347]

Jack you are under no obligation to read or respond.

I am certain this is what you would like to happen, since we are clearly demonstrating the falsehood of your claim.

If we were talking in person and you said you did not want to discuss further, I would stop out of respect for you wish.

Again, I have no doubt that you are more than ready to end this conversation, and we both know why.

But there are others reading here, so I am just going to try and clear up a couple remaining questions (or issues.)

Tammy, there cannot be a whole lot of folks who are following our conversation. This certainly seems to demonstrate you are playing to an audience, and you are more concerned about playing to the audience, than you are "for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." In other words, it certainly seems as if you are more concerned about the idea that you hear from Jesus directly, than you are about the faith.

Truly, truly, no obligation to read or respond. No judgment from me either.

Yeah, yeah, I got it, and I am sure the rest of the very few folks who are following the conversation get it as well. It is your hope, prayer, and wish that I will not respond. What this also demonstrates is the fact that your concern is not really about Christ, but rather your concern is for your audience which you are playing for. I am just telling you, I am not playing to an audience. Moreover, I am confident, that whatever very small audience we may have, if they have any reason whatsoever, are not at all impressed with my argumentation, but can rather see the absolute contradiction in yours, if you can really call it argumentation. Rather, I would call it someone playing out their fantasy before my very eyes.

I have said only that the bible is not inerrant.

You have assured us the Bible is full of scribal errors, and I have asked you to supply us with some of these errors, and I have failed to see where you have given us any examples. Because you see, if you insist there are indeed scribal errors, then you should be able to point to examples. If you cannot then you have come to this conclusion by someone else giving you this information.

The above is one of the questions I would love an answer too. The next question I would like you to answer is, is what we have contained in the Bible able to make us "complete?" Is what we have contained in the Bible able to make us "thoroughly equipped for EVERY good work?" Or do we need more?

I said earlier that I take everything written in it with a grain of salt - unless or until my Lord confirms something for me.

This would have to mean that every passage you have used in our conversation thus far has been confirmed to you by the Lord. Can you share with us how, and what He has confirmed concerning a few of these passages? If He has not yet confirmed anything concerning any of these passages, then why, and how in the world can you cite passages you "take with a grain of salt?"

So in answer to the question in bold, if my Lord is bringing something to mind - I can know that it is true.

Great! Then demonstrate this to us by using one of the many passages you have cited in this conversation, concerning how, and what the Lord has confirmed to you concerning these passages.

I'm leaving Paul out of the exchange because you do not accept that Paul could have meant anything beyond that one specific instance where he says 'imitate me as I imitate Christ' - even though 'imitate me as I imitate Christ' means 'imitate Christ'.

Yes! This is one of those passages you claim the Lord brought to your mind, and therefore, you know it is true. However, as we have seen, Paul did not say this out of nowhere. Paul was referring back to what he had just said, concerning not being a stumbling block to those coming to Christ. All you have to do is to go back and read the passage. So then, this had nothing to do with Paul saying, "I imitate Christ in everything He does, so imitate me in everything I do." You are attempting to make this a "catch all" passage by attempting to make it be about everything. But the funny thing is, you cannot make it be about everything, because you do not have the ability to imitate Paul, or Christ in everything. Moreover, you continue to avoid the fact that it would have been impossible for Paul to be referring forward to a letter he had not even thought of as of yet.

The verse from Hebrews supplies a second witness (and clarifies the point):

Imitate the FAITH of those who came first. The faith of those who came first was in Christ Himself.

You demonstrate one who does not have a clue as to what faith is, as we are about to see.

It is interesting where you draw the line in the sand on your faith, but I am not here to judge what you (or others) do or don't take on faith. Someone else might take all of it on faith. Either way, you clearly understand that faith is not based on what is SEEN.

It is impossible to base a belief in something for which there is facts and evidence to examine. If someone else is basing all of it on faith, then this is not really faith, but a blind acceptance of what one has been told. You see, what is contained in the Bible never ask us to believe in the resurrection of Jesus by faith. If this was the case, there would be no need in mentioning the empty tomb. Again, we are to employ faith when we have no facts and evidence to weigh, study, and analyze. Faith has nothing whatsoever to do with not using your brain and simply believing what you are told.

But He does reveal Himself, Jack:

Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him.” John 14:21

This is not through various other witnesses. This is Christ revealing Himself to the one who loves Him. This is a promise that I know is true - it and the one made in verse 23.

Tammy, this is why it is so frustrating to converse with you. You are again, using a passage which has nothing whatsoever to do with you. We do not have the time nor the space to expound it all out to you, but Jesus is having an intimate conversation with the twelve and has just told them that He would be betrayed. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus revealing Himself to you but is rather comforting His apostles for His departure from them. These are the men who would go on to give their lives for what they were proclaiming, while you sit there on your computer typing away as it cost you absolutely nothing claiming a promise from Jesus which does not even belong to you. Well, how about this promise from Jesus just a few verses later? This comes from verse 31 of the same chapter, just 10 verses later,

"I will not speak much more with you, for the ruler of the world is coming, and he has nothing in regard to Me."

Do you claim this promise from Christ in this same chapter, in that He "will not speak much more with you?" I mean, let us wait and see which way you attempt to wiggle out of this one. You want to claim the verses you are mistaken about, which you want to insist backs your fantasy that you hear from Jesus, but I would be willing to bet that this will not apply to you, or you will attempt to interpret the passage in some other sort of way, even though you admit to not having the ability to interpret what is contained in the Bible.

Oh, good question. Choosing between the two, definitely the second. Draw, pull, lead, bring, enable.

Here is the word translated as 'draw' from blue letter bible:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon ... jv/tr/0-1/

OH? So then, it does not mean "draw" such as an "inward power" like you claim to have, but rather it is like Jesus is "dragging" you against your will?

[JehovahsWitness]

In short if someone were to ask the Devil "are you really Jesus ?" or "Are you really the Lord God who created the heavens and earth, and all things." OBVIOUSLY the Devil will say "I am" because the Devil is a LIAR

This would only be true if you were the Devil. Your ill experience with the spiritual quest for God drags you into your own world of falsehood.

Are you suggeting that the verbatim statement of Jesus that the devil quote "is a liar" is false? (This is my question to you, not a verbatim quote of you, I am trying to understand if you admit or deny that the devil is a liar)

[JehovahsWitness]

The words that God had spoken in the context of the biblical passages you take into consideration, which the Lord Jesus reminded his audience of.

I asked you a question because you seemed to be agreeing (as true) the following...

... The Lord reminded His listeners of the words that God had spoken and were written in the scriptures.

If that is a misunderstanding on my part and you believe the above to be FALSE just respond with the words "the above is false" and I will understand your position.














JW


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[JehovahsWitness]

He (devil) will not dare bite that bait because he knows the consequences he will suffer should he say those phrases that only the Lord God is entitled to utter. Satan and his devil know their limitations

While it is true that the Devil has his limits, LYING is according to the verbatim testimony of Jesus is NOT one of them. Jesus did not say that the Devil cannot lie because he would fear the consequences of lying (that is just opinion) Jesus said that the Devil is a liar and to be labelled as such he MUST be able to lie.


PHRASES THAT ONLY THE LORD GOD IS ENTITLED TO UTTER

Note that Jesus in the flesh put no limits on the "phrases" Satan could utter. This ad hoc "rule" is human based and quite in contrast with what is testified by eyewitnesses of Jesus' ministry. For example, Jesus often quoted from the book of Genesis, and in the book of Genesis Satan is recorded as lying about Almighty God himself (contradicting a direct command of YHWH) thereby slandering Almighty God, so evidently YHWH (Yahweh) allowed Satan to go that far.

Satan even demanded WORSHIP. The testimony of the Apostle Matthew (a companion of Jesus in the flesh) testifies that

Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory.+ 9 And he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.””

WORSHIP is (according to the verbatim affirmation of Jesus Christ when he was in the flesh) something only the Almighty has a right to, but according to the testimony of Matthew, Satan was not too afraid of the consequences he would suffer, to attempt to steal that something for himself namely, WORSHIP.

Note the similarities between Satans words to Jesus and those below ...

... the Lord Jesus taught us this particular advice, saying,“Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or the universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”

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[JehovahsWitness]

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CAN THE DEVIL CLAIM TO BE CHRIST

The word "Christ" means anointed (an allusion to the fact that according to the testimony of John the Baptist, when Jesus was in the flesh he was "anointed" with holy spirit). Did the verbatim testimony of Christ indicate that others would , during the "end time" period in which we presently live , CLAIM TO BE CHRIST?

For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it - JESUS CHRIST

GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS IN TAGALOG

So according to the verbatim exact testimony of Christ in the flesh, FALSE CHRISTS would not only be at work during our present historical period but they would be able to "perform great signs and wonders" such as for example being able to read the minds of their audience (surely a "great sign" if ever there was one). Note more great signs and wonders ....

The Lord just caused/used his mind to read instantly, in Tagalog, His messages written in a foreign language not normally readable to a child's mental capacity.

Jesus verbatim warning was not to believe "great signs and wonders" of those that claim to be the Christ. Further, If the only individual capable of claiming to be Christ was the True Christ himself, there would be no reason for Jesus to warn people not to believe anyone that later claimed "I am Christ". (Note: Jesus didn't say "look out for exclusive phrases that the Devil would be too afraid to utter" nor did he say ... "wait for the Lord to contact you personally and verify" , no he catagoricaly stated {quote} do not believe them" {end quote} ....

... the Lord acknowledged His Tagalog name as Hesus (Jesus) or Hesukristo (Jesucristo)

We cannot both obey the command of Christ while in the flesh not [to] believe future claimants (even if they say they are JesuCRISTO) and at the same time believe a 21st century Tagalog Christ that appeared on a Boulevard and spent 2 years teaching a family. (note the name "Jesus" (Jesu) is not unique , even in the family tree of Mary and Joseph there were individuals called "Jesus")


CAN THE DEVIL CLAIM TO BE "ALMIGHTY GOD"

As we have noted, Christ in the Flesh is at no time recorded as saying there are certain lies / or phrases that the devil is too afraid to utter. Rather he simply labeled the Devil as a liar and warned his later day followers (such as our present period) not to believe anyone that claims to be Christ (which would of course cover even if the claim is in Tagalog).

Given the above there is no basis for claiming Satan would be too afraid to impersonate Almighty God if he felt he was speaking to a family gullible to believe him. Indeed we have numerous cases of individuals that claim that they heard the voice of (Almighty) God that told them to commit atrocities. Evidently, if they were not merely psychotic, the voice they heard was an imposter, since the True God cannot command evil.

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[JehovahsWitness]

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CAN THE DEVIL CLAIM TO BE YAHWEH ?

While again, it would be wrong to impose arbitrary phrases that the Devil supposedly cannot utter, there is one fact that is undeniable: the God of Abraham identified himself by one personal name alone, namely YHWH (transliterated in various languages as "Yahweh" or (English Jehovah). Note the eyewitness testimony of the Prophet MOSES

Moses said to the true God: “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your forefathers has sent me to you,’ and they say to me, ‘What is his name?’+ What should I say to them?” ... 15 b God said once more to Moses: “This is what you are to say to the Israelites, ‘Jehovah [יהוה transliterated as YHWH /Yahweh] the God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham,+ the God of Isaac,+ and the God of Jacob,+ has sent me to you.’ This is my name forever

The divine name (YHWH/Yahweh/Jehovah) is mentioned more than ANY other name in scripture over 6,000 times and is exclusively used to identify the God of Abraham, Moses and the Prophets. YHWH appears in the testimonies of scripture more than the name "Jesus" , more than the name "Emmanuel" more than the title "God" or "Almighty" or "Almighty God". It is, according to his own the verbatim words his "name forever". Like Moses then, it might be reasonable to ask any supernatural spirit claiming to be the Almighty "what is your name?"

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[OneJack]

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CAN THE DEVIL CLAIM TO BE CHRIST

The word "Christ" means anointed (an allusion to the fact that according to the testimony of John the Baptist, when Jesus was in the flesh he was "anointed" with holy spirit). Did the verbatim testimony of Christ indicate that others would , during the "end time" period in which we presently live , CLAIM TO BE CHRIST?

For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it - JESUS CHRIST

GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS IN TAGALOG

So according to the verbatim exact testimony of Christ in the flesh, FALSE CHRISTS would not only be at work during our present historical period but they would be able to "perform great signs and wonders" such as for example being able to read the minds of their audience (surely a "great sign" if ever there was one). Note more great signs and wonders ....

The Lord just caused/used his mind to read instantly, in Tagalog, His messages written in a foreign language not normally readable to a child's mental capacity.

Jesus verbatim warning was not to believe "great signs and wonders" of those that claim to be the Christ. Further, If the only individual capable of claiming to be Christ was the True Christ himself, there would be no reason for Jesus to warn people not to believe anyone that later claimed "I am Christ". (Note: Jesus didn't say "look out for exclusive phrases that the Devil would be too afraid to utter" nor did he say ... "wait for the Lord to contact you personally and verify" , no he catagoricaly stated {quote} do not believe them" {end quote} ....

... the Lord acknowledged His Tagalog name as Hesus (Jesus) or Hesukristo (Jesucristo)

We cannot both obey the command of Christ while in the flesh not [to] believe future claimants (even if they say they are JesuCRISTO) and at the same time believe a 21st century Tagalog Christ that appeared on a Boulevard and spent 2 years teaching a family. (note the name "Jesus" (Jesu) is not unique , even in the family tree of Mary and Joseph there were individuals called "Jesus")


CAN THE DEVIL CLAIM TO BE "ALMIGHTY GOD"

As we have noted, Christ in the Flesh is at no time recorded as saying there are certain lies / or phrases that the devil is too afraid to utter. Rather he simply labeled the Devil as a liar and warned his later day followers (such as our present period) not to believe anyone that claims to be Christ (which would of course cover even if the claim is in Tagalog).

Given the above there is no basis for claiming Satan would be too afraid to impersonate Almighty God if he felt he was speaking to a family gullible to believe him. Indeed we have numerous cases of individuals that claim that they heard the voice of (Almighty) God that told them to commit atrocities. Evidently, if they were not merely psychotic, the voice they heard was an imposter, since the True God cannot command evil.

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All you're saying is nothing but your opinion since you've heard nothing yet from the Lord Jesus Christ, who said,

So remember, anyone who stands as a pastor, who stands as a leader of My church, is working iniquity and stealing My place as the Good Pastor. Because you are only human, you who are pastors, you who teach and stand before people, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons in My name, remember that when I return, many will call out to Me, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we do mighty works and cast out demons in Your name, didn't we heal?' But remember, I will say to them, 'I never knew you, I never recognized you, you who work iniquity, you who cast out demons.' Remember, when you cast out demons, you're taking away the role that belongs to Me. If you encounter someone possessed by a demon, just pray to Me, and I am ready to hear your prayer and will listen to every complaint you whisper to Me, every cry you make, every prayer you offer. I will help you and never abandon you, especially those who are Mine and follow Me.


Do you know who the false Christs are today?