The consistent events from Jesus' burial to His ascension

[RBD]

Here is the consistent timeline in order from the burial of Jesus, to His ascension 40 days later.

Many women from Galilee follow Joseph and Nicodemus to see Jesus laid in the tomb. Magdalen and the other Mary are specifically mentioned. (John 19) (Mark 15) Afterward that evening, some of the other women go home to prepare spices and ointments for Jesus' body. (Luke 23)

The next day on the high Sabbath, the chief priests go to Pilate for a guard on the tomb. (Matthew 27)

In the night, there's another earthquake, and an angel in appearance as lighting rolls away the stone, making the soldiers become as dead. (Matthew 28) Jesus either resurrects at this time, or any time during the night beforehand. At some time in the night, the guards awaken and depart the empty tomb, to report to the chief priests.

Magdalen comes later in the dark before dawn, and finds the tomb empty. She tells Peter and the other disciple, and they come running to see the tomb empty. They enter to see and depart. (John 20)

Magdalen remains behind and sees two angels in the tomb, and then Jesus Himself alive outside the tomb. She is the first person on earth to see Him after His resurrection. While still dark, she returns again to tell the disciples of His resurrection, and they don't believe it. (John 20) (Mark 16)

Magdalen, the other Mary, Salome, and the other women from Galilee, including Joanna, arrive at the tomb in the morning light. One group arrives with their prepared spices and ointments, while Magdalen's group arrives with bought sweet spices. They find the tomb empty. (Mark 16) (Luke 24)

Magdalen, the other Mary, and Salome are met by the angel that rolled away the stone, and are told to see in the tomb where the Lord had lain. Another angel sitting therein tell them to tell the disciples to go to Galilee to see Jesus. (Matthew 28) (Mark 16) The other women including Joanna enter the tomb and see no one, and while standing outside are met by two more angels, that send them also to the disciples to go to Galilee to meet Jesus. (Luke 24)

All the women depart and en route meet Jesus, and hold His feet in worship. He also sends them all to tell the disciples to meet Him in Galilee. They all then tell the disciples these things, and they don't believe it. (Matthew 28)

Peter runs to the tomb a second time and ponders these things. (Luke 24)

Jesus next appears to Cleopas and another disciple on the road to Emmaus, and later toward evening they recognize Him at table, and He vanishes from their sight. In that hour, they go to the eleven to tell them of Jesus' resurrection. They don't believe it. Luke 24) (Mark 16) Peter has now also seen the Lord Jesus. Paul reports that Jesus also appeared to James at some time.

At evening, Jesus now first appears to the disciples with the others in the their midst, and shows He is indeed resurrected bodily from the dead, and not only a spirit, by showing His hands and side, and eats some fish. Thomas is not with them. (Luke 24) (John 20)

8 days later, He appears to the eleven with Thomas as they sat at meat, and upbraids them for their unbelief, and also challenges Thomas to insert His fingers into his hands, and his hand into Jesus' side. (Mark 16) (John 20)

Afterward on another day, Peter goes a fishin' at the sea of Galilee with 6 other disciples, including Thomas, Nathanael, the sons of thunder, and 2 other disciples. For the third time after His resurrection, Jesus meets His disciples on the Galilee shore with food on a fire. They all know Him. (John 21)

Afterward on another day, all the disciples meet Jesus at the Galilee mount, that He had appointed them, and worshipped Him. Some doubted what to do. (Matthew 28)

On the 40th day after His resurrection, He leads all the disciples and many others to Bethany on Mt Olivet. (Luke 24) (Acts 1) There He gives His great commission with promise of the Holy Ghost, and ascends to heaven to be recieved up in a cloud. The disciples remain standing and looking upward for Jesus, until two angels come to remind them to go to Jerusalem, and wait for the promise of the Father.

These are a consistent order of events from the 4 gospels and Acts 1.

Paul confirms Peter saw the Lord first before the other apostles, on the evening of the first day of His resurrection, and that above 500 saw Him during the 40 days after. He was also seen by James after the evening of the first day, either before His second appearance to them on the 8th day, or afterward before the sea of Galilee for the third time.

[JehovahsWitness]

Already showed to you how the record has only women arriving and interacting at the tomb in the morning.

THE MEN

The only record of men at the tomb is of Peter and John after Mary goes to tell them the tomb is empty, which is before she sees the Lord risen, and then goes back to tell them He is risen, and then returns with women in the early morning light.

The narrative does not state that Mary "returns" with the women after reporting the empty tomb to Peter and John, that is your addition.

Already showed to you how the record has only women arriving and interacting at the tomb in the morning.

THE MEN

Nobody is suggesting that any of the male disciples were present during the initial "darkness" /"sunrise" /"dawn" visit(s) of the women (only), but it is reasonable to assume that if that initial visit(s) did happen somewhere between 5.10 - 6.00 am the pursuing events (ie Mary M. immediately running to the Apostles and returning with them to the tomb) would still tecnically "in the morning" ie before noon. In any case there is no statement in scripture that Peter and his companion (John) did NOT arrive in the morning (nor is there any statement in the gospels that the men arrived "in the afternoon" or "during the darkness of night")

In short, if Mary (first) and the women (following) arrived approximately between 5 (for Mary) and 6am (the other women) ... and if Mary ran immediately to inform Peter and John about the empty tomb and they all ran back to inspect the tomb without delay, then logically the men's first visit (to inspect the empty tomb following Mary's report) would have been in daylight on that same Sunday morning.

[RBD]

Mark 16:7 "But go, tell his disciples and Peter, he goes before you to Galilee. You will see him there, just as he told you."

Luke 24:13 "And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was sixty stadia from Jerusalem."

Luke 24:33-34 "They arose that very hour, returned to Jerusalem. They found the eleven and those with them gathered together, saying, 'The Lord is indeed risen and has appeared to Simon.'"

Luke 24:36 "And as they said these things, he himself stood in between them and said to them, 'Peace to you.'"

So, did Jesus go to Galilee, as Mark's author claimed, or did he meet them at Emmaus and then Jerusalem as Luke's author claimed?

Thanks for the new challenge.

Jesus went to Galilee to meet them all, but by unbelief, none went to see Him. Jesus later met two of them sadly walking on the Emmaus road, rather than haply seeing Him in Galilee.

If you would delay the accusation long enough, to at least try by common reason to reconcile the record yourself, then you would not be accusing the record so superficially. Nor inserting your own words to try and make the accusation fit.

But in any case, keep them coming. I enjoy the exercise of Scriptural correction, even if light.

(Already answered your other stuff enough. With my compliments...)

[RBD]

The only record of men at the tomb is of Peter and John after Mary goes to tell them the tomb is empty, which is before she sees the Lord risen, and then goes back to tell them He is risen, and then returns with women in the early morning light.

The narrative does not state that Mary "returns" with the women after reporting the empty tomb to Peter and John, that is your addition.[/quote]
The narrative says Mary came with women to the tomb in the morning light, after seeing Jesus at the tomb in the dark.

'Returning' is the fact of coming again a second time. Coming only once and not returning, is your omission.

(Already answered your other stuff enough)

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #242]

Jesus went to Galilee to meet them all, but by unbelief, none went to see Him.

"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
(Matthew 28:16-17)

[JehovahsWitness]

The narrative does not state that Mary "returns" with the women after reporting the empty tomb to Peter and John, that is your addition.

'Returning' is the fact ...

It is not a FACT it is your personal speculation. The narrative states that Mary returned with the women but there is nothing about her returning with the women after having reported the empty tomb to Peter (and John).

...after seeing Jesus at the tomb in the dark.

There is no statement in the gospels that state Mary meets the risen Christ "in the dark" those words are your additions.

[Difflugia]

Thanks for the new challenge.

Or a two-thousand-year-old one. Whatever.

Jesus went to Galilee to meet them all, but by unbelief, none went to see Him. Jesus later met two of them sadly walking on the Emmaus road, rather than haply seeing Him in Galilee.

Which Gospel says this? The Gospel According to RBD?

If you would delay the accusation long enough, to at least try by common reason to reconcile the record yourself, then you would not be accusing the record so superficially.

I'm not accusing "the record" of anything. The text is what it is and the narratives are what they are. My accusation is that you, yourself are forcing "the record" to mean something that it doesn't say and none of the authors intended because it doesn't otherwise fit your projected notion of inerrancy.

Nor inserting your own words to try and make the accusation fit.

QFT!

But in any case, keep them coming. I enjoy the exercise of Scriptural correction, even if light.

Now try reading Scripture as it is, rather than trying to correct it.

(Already answered your other stuff enough. With my compliments...)

Oh, of course you have! The argument's over!

[RBD]

[Replying to RBD in post #242]

So, did Jesus go to Galilee, as Mark's author claimed, or did he meet them at Emmaus and then Jerusalem as Luke's author claimed?

Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
(Matthew 28:16-17)

So, you answered your own question. Jesus not only went to Galilee on resurrection day, as the angels and He Himself said. But also again later in His post-resurrection ministry, when the eleven met Him at an appointed mountain. It's only the disciples that did not go to Galilee on resurrection day, due to their fear and unbelief....

They all met in Galilee at least 8 days later, after Thomas had personally seen Him, with the prints in His hands.

These things are in the original posting of events. No one has disproved them, so you can refer to them to know what events you're trying to argue with yourself about.

[RBD]

It is not a FACT it is your personal speculation. The narrative states that Mary returned with the women but there is nothing about her returning with the women after having reported the empty tomb to Peter (and John).

Well, since the latter was in the dark, and the former in first morning light, then returning after the latter is a fact of darkness vs light.

Wait, you're not still trying to argue about darkness and light? We're done with that already.

...after seeing Jesus at the tomb in the dark.

There is no statement in the gospels that state Mary meets the risen Christ "in the dark" those words are your additions.
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Since it was alone before returning latter with the women in the earliest morning light, then it was still in the darkness, that she first come in to the tomb.

When I say new things, I'm not talking about new ways to argue about darkness vs shining light.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to RBD in post #247]

Jesus not only went to Galilee on resurrection day, as the angels and He Himself said. But also again later in His post-resurrection ministry, when the eleven met Him at an appointed mountain. It's only the disciples that did not go to Galilee on resurrection day, due to their fear and unbelief

"They got up and returned at once to Jerusalem. There they found the Eleven and those with them, assembled together and saying, “It is true! The Lord has risen and has appeared to Simon.”
(Luke 24:33-34)

"Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted.
(Matthew 28:16-17)

How would some of the eleven doubt after they were all among those proclaiming, "The Lord has risen!"?

And which gospel account says that Jesus went to Galilee twice?

These things are in the original posting of events. No one has disproved them, so you can refer to them to know what events you're trying to argue with yourself about.

You talk a lot about court-of-law principles. The gospels are the testimony entered on behalf of the disciples. If that testimony is to be taken as the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, what room is there to add details to harmonize the inconsistencies?

[JehovahsWitness]

It is not a FACT it is your personal speculation. The narrative states that Mary returned with the women but there is nothing about her returning with the women after having reported the empty tomb to Peter (and John).

Well, since the latter was in the dark, and the former in first morning light, then returning after the latter is a fact of darkness vs light.

since you do not seem to want to take into account the physical reality of the fact that at dawn darkness gives way to light within minutes, I don't think that your referring to "light" and "dark" can possibly be constructive (I have no idea why you refer to "shining" light in this context). My point is simple,

• the bible at no point specifically states that Mary returned with the women after having reported the empty grave to Peter.

• The bible at no point specifically states that Mary meets the risen Christ "in the dark" .