Original Sin

[Zzyzx]

Is the Adam and Eve story true? Unless the story is true, the concept of ‘original sin’ has no meaning, and there was no need for Jesus to 'save' humanity from 'original sin'.

From: Ebsco (dot) com
“Original sin is a Christian doctrine that teaches all humans inherit a sinful nature from Adam and Eve due to their disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden. This condition affects every person, making them morally and spiritually flawed from birth, and is often seen as a barrier to a relationship with God.”

From: U.S. Catholic (dot) org
"According to Christian belief, Jesus' sacrifice is seen as a means to save humanity from original sin, which is the state of sin inherited from Adam and Eve. This salvation is believed to be available to all who have faith in Him."

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #19]

They don’t exist, as the Almighty God always does.

I asked how you can prove that they don't exist.

What is there to prove on nothing? Their non-existence is the proof itself; they don’t have traces, histories, testimonies, witnesses, etc., etc.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #21]

What is there to prove on nothing? Their non-existence is the proof itself; they don’t have traces, histories, testimonies, etc., etc.

Ancient writings are filled with stories of the gods, as are oral traditions from around the world.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #21]

What is there to prove on nothing? Their non-existence is the proof itself; they don’t have traces, histories, testimonies, etc., etc.

Ancient writings are filled with stories of the gods, as are oral traditions from around the world.

They remain stories and traditions, but they are not God, as the Almighty is across all ages, and He’s always beside you, though you never see Him.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #23]

They remain stories and traditions, but they are not God, as the Almighty is across all ages, and He’s always beside you, though you never see Him.

Again, you offer no proof----only statements.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #23]

They remain stories and traditions, but they are not God, as the Almighty is across all ages, and He’s always beside you, though you never see Him.

Again, you offer no proof----only statements.

God is unseen but He is real, and I heard and learned from Him the things that I’m telling you about Him. But your ‘other gods’ offers you nothing because they don’t exist. Not because you’ve nothing from God He doesn’t exist.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #25]

But your ‘other gods’ offers you nothing because they don’t exist.

Still nothing to establish that they don't exist, just more circular arguing.

[OneJack]

[Replying to OneJack in post #25]

But your ‘other gods’ offers you nothing because they don’t exist.

Still nothing to establish that they don't exist, just more circular arguing.

The fact that you can’t present current utterances or anything from those ‘other gods’ proves they don’t exist.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #27]

The fact that you can’t present current utterances or anything from those ‘other gods’ proves they don’t exist.

You mean they must not exist because I don't assume the role of prophet on their behalf?

Anyone can claim to speak for any god and may even believe that they do so, even if they're just echoing their own belief. I could rattle something off and declare it to be a message from the gods, but I think it more likely that whatever gods there are speak their messages into individual minds and hearts.

[OneJack]

[Replying to Athetotheist in post #28]

You mean they must not exist because I don't assume the role of prophet on their behalf?

Not necessarily. You brought them [‘other gods’] up in this conversation empty-handed; how would you show us they exist, as the Almighty God always does?

Anyone can claim to speak for any god and may even believe that they do so, even if they're juste echoing their own belief. I could rattle something off and declare it to be a message from the gods, but I think it more likely that whatever gods there are speak their messages into individual minds and hearts.

Now you’re just voicing your opinion. The hardest thing to do is to invent lies for scrutiny in a conversation, like this one. The jar of lies is peppered with bullet holes all around, hence, stopping leakages is too hard to maintain.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to OneJack in post #29]

You brought them [‘other gods’] up in this conversation empty-handed; how would you show us they exist, as the Almighty God always does?

How have you shown that "the Almighty God" is the one and only deity?


I could rattle something off and declare it to be a message from the gods, but I think it more likely that whatever gods there are speak their messages into individual minds and hearts.

Now you’re just voicing your opinion. The hardest thing to do is to invent lies for scrutiny in a conversation, like this one. The jar of lies is peppered with bullet holes all around, hence, stopping leakages is too hard to maintain.

How is my "opinion" any less legitimate than yours?