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Original Sin

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Is the Adam and Eve story true? Unless the story is true, the concept of ‘original sin’ has no meaning, and there was no need for Jesus to 'save' humanity from 'original sin'.

From: Ebsco (dot) com
“Original sin is a Christian doctrine that teaches all humans inherit a sinful nature from Adam and Eve due to their disobedience to God in the Garden of Eden. This condition affects every person, making them morally and spiritually flawed from birth, and is often seen as a barrier to a relationship with God.”

From: U.S. Catholic (dot) org
"According to Christian belief, Jesus' sacrifice is seen as a means to save humanity from original sin, which is the state of sin inherited from Adam and Eve. This salvation is believed to be available to all who have faith in Him."
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ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence

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Re: Original Sin

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Athetotheist wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 10:12 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #9]
You’ve heard nothing yet from those ‘everyone’s gods’ you quoted, have you?
How would you know what gods I----or others----have or haven't heard from?
Since the Almighty God is the only God that exists on earth, in the universe, and in all places, no one can hear from any other gods but Him alone.

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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to OneJack in post #11]
Since the Almighty God is the only God that exists on earth, in the universe, and in all places, no one can hear from any other gods but Him alone.
Now we're back to your initial circular argument.
"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."
---Alan Watts

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Re: Original Sin

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Athetotheist wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 11:14 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #11]
Since the Almighty God is the only God that exists on earth, in the universe, and in all places, no one can hear from any other gods but Him alone.
Now we're back to your initial circular argument.
If you can present anything that you heard from the ‘other gods’ you opine, I rest my case.

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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to OneJack in post #13]
If you can present anything that you heard from the ‘other gods’ you opine, I rest my case.
What are you presenting, other than what you've read?
"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."
---Alan Watts

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Re: Original Sin

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Athetotheist wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 11:56 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #13]
If you can present anything that you heard from the ‘other gods’ you opine, I rest my case.
What are you presenting, other than what you've read?
If I were just reading from the bible, mine would be a news item from that book, which, of course, is not God. But I’m not, instead, hearing from the Almighty God is what I’m talking about.

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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to OneJack in post #15]
If I were just reading from the bible, mine would be a news item from that book, which, of course, is not God. But I’m not, instead, hearing from the Almighty God is what I’m talking about.
How can you prove that followers of other gods don't hear from them?
"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."
---Alan Watts

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Re: Original Sin

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Athetotheist wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 6:42 am [Replying to OneJack in post #15]
If I were just reading from the bible, mine would be a news item from that book, which, of course, is not God. But I’m not, instead, hearing from the Almighty God is what I’m talking about.
How can you prove that followers of other gods don't hear from them?
They don’t have direct utterances from the ‘other gods’ the invented for themselves.

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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to OneJack in post #17]
They don’t have direct utterances from the ‘other gods’ the invented for themselves.
How can you prove that they just "invented" those gods?
"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."
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Re: Original Sin

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Athetotheist wrote: Sun Feb 15, 2026 8:22 pm [Replying to OneJack in post #17]
They don’t have direct utterances from the ‘other gods’ the invented for themselves.
How can you prove that they just "invented" those gods?
They don’t exist, as the Almighty God always does.

Thus saith the Almighty God, Lord Jesus Christ:

"All of you who are listening, listen carefully! I am your Lord God. Who are you afraid of? I am the Almighty. Who are you intimidated by? Remember, when I am by your side, you have nothing to fear, nothing to worry about, because I will save you from any calamity if you trust in Me and regard Me as your salvation and eternal life. As your Lord, whom you alone will worship and none other, I am the one true God existing in heaven, earth, or universe. I created all things, I gave you life. Where will you go? If not to Me, you have nowhere else to go.”

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Re: Original Sin

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[Replying to OneJack in post #19]
They don’t exist, as the Almighty God always does.
I asked how you can prove that they don't exist.
"The religious idea of God cannot do full duty for the metaphysical infinity."
---Alan Watts

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