Does the USA need to STOP supporting ISRAEL NOW-?

[thomasdixon]

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder Palestinian children

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian fishing boats.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis murder American citizens.

The USA has looked the other way while Israelis destroy Palestinian villages and then build illegally on top of the rubble.

28 Dec 2022
Benjamin Netanyahus incoming hardline government put West Bank settlement expansion at the top of its list of priorities on Wednesday, vowing to legalise dozens of illegally built outposts and annex the occupied territory as part of its coalition deal with its ultranational allies.
Netanyahu government makes West Bank settlement expansion its priority

We, as Americans, including American Jews must band together and demand that we, citizens of America STOP giving Israel money.
We must make our voices heard in Congress and directly to Biden.

Israel should be designated a terrorist state-?

opinions welcome yes/no/why

[William]

[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #110]

That would involve removing or destroying one group (via lethal or non-lethal means or both). Knowing that's on the minds of many leaders of both sides, you have to consider that any large scale aggression is likely part of an act of genocide.

What is the way a race of humans under the attack of "an act of genocide" can respond?

For example, how did the Jews respond to the act of genocide against their race during WW2?

The clue therein is the phrase "Never Again!"

AI Overview
"Never Again" is a powerful phrase primarily known as a vow against genocide, stemming from the Holocaust and used to prevent future atrocities, but it also refers to songs by artists like Kelly Clarkson, Nickelback, and Elvis Presley, and signifies a broader commitment to preventing injustice and discrimination. The slogan originated with liberated prisoners at Buchenwald concentration camp and expresses a determination that such horrors must never recur, applying to other genocides and human rights abuses

At that time, the Jews had no homeland and had not had a homeland since being ousted by the Romans around AD70.

At this time, they do. They have a place to plant their feet and defy those who wish to annihilate their race.

While human beings continue to identify culturally, the threat of racism and genocide will inevitably continue alongside that mindset.
Many cultures accept other cultures respectfully - but historically some middle east cultures do not - or tolerate those they traditionally hate while always looking for opportunity to anniate the hated.

[historia]

Maybe I've lost track, but my central claim is that Zionists stole Palestinian land 75 or 76 years ago and have committed war crimes ever since.

This is what you wrote:

The U.S. should have stopped supporting Israel in 1947-48. That's when the genocide started.

Your last reply, like your first reply to me, is little more than an attempt to move the goal posts.

[Diogenes]

Maybe I've lost track, but my central claim is that Zionists stole Palestinian land 75 or 76 years ago and have committed war crimes ever since.

This is what you wrote:

The U.S. should have stopped supporting Israel in 1947-48. That's when the genocide started.

Your last reply, like your first reply to me, is little more than an attempt to move the goal posts.

Have it your way. Just answer the question, "Why should the U.S. support Zionism, then or now, since it continues to carry on genocide and land theft? The crimes, the starvation, the atrocities and land theft continuing in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank? Why should the U.S. not stop the Three major war criminals, Putin, Netanyahu, and Trump?

[Difflugia]

Why should the U.S. not stop [...] Trump?

Probably for the same reason that the Chicago Mafia didn't stop Al Capone.

[Avoice]

[Replying to AgnosticBoy in post #110]

Who are Palestinians? Do you know?
They are Arabs.

Why do they call themselves Palestinians?
When did they start calling themselves Palestinians?
Why did they start calling thenselves Palestinians?
Are Arabs Palestinians?
Are Christians Palestinians?
Are Jews Palestinians?

Just who are Palestinians?
Just what is Palestine?

WHY DOES THE WORLD BELIEVES THAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE A RIGHT TO THE LAND ?
I will answer this first. Its because for many years the land known as Israel was called Palestine. And so the people who are called Palestinians are entutled to it.

First, know about how the land was named Palestine. When the Romans invaded Israel they wanted to erase any Jewish connection to the land. So, aa a slap in the face to the Jews they renamed the land of Israel after Israels arch enemy: the Philistines. It was cslled Philistia or sonething like that ( too lazy to Google the spelling. The name was hard to pronounce abd it eventually became known as Palestine. For hundreds of years it had this name.
Prior to Israel declaring independance in 1948. EVERYONE...EVERYONE who lived there were Palestinians. There were Palestinian Christians, Palestinian Jews and Palestinian Arabs. (In fact Israels former Prime Minister Golda Meir held a Palestinian passport ) Now when the Arabs couldnt fight Israel militarily it got the world to fight Israel. HOW? Remember Yassir Arafat? Well, he and thw Arabs latched onto the nane Palestinians and duped the wirld into thinking they are the ancient people of Palestine.

There is no Palestine. There is no Palestinian people. With their own language or culture etc.
The land is Israel. The Arabs have fooled the world. It is an ingenius plan and it is working. They took the name Palestinians to identufy thenselves as some ancient people from the land called Palestine. This lie and deception is how they hace got the world to go after and accuse Israel of (well, you nane it) And it was so easy to do because the world needs no reason to accuse Israel.
They dont tell you this on the news.
PS: Ive been to Israel six or seven times. Israel wants peace! They even gave the Arabs (aka Palestinians) the Gaza Strip about twenty years ago AS A GESTURE OF PEACE. Asking nothing in return. All Israel got was thousabds of rockets lobbed at them fron the land they gave as a gift of peace.

You, like billions of others have been played. Abd gyess what? I doubt very much that this means anything to you. Or the world if they were told this. Hating and blaming the Jews is what matters.

There is no Palestine. But there us the land of Israel and a people who ARE from Israel. The only way ti deby that is to say you dont believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[Difflugia]

Who are Palestinians? Do you know?
They are Arabs.

The bulk of modern Palestinians share Levantine ancestry rather than from the Arabian peninsula. Admixture with genetic markers from the Arabian peninsula didn't become prominent until the rise of the Ottoman Empire.

Modern Jewish populations show relatively recent admixture with European genetic markers, but most Jewish populations around the world show predominantly Levantine heritage.

Palestinians are more closely related to members of the Jewish diaspora than they are to populations from the Arabian peninsula. When it comes down to it, modern Jewish and Palestinian populations are all just Canaanites under the hood.

Source: Genome-Wide Diversity in the Levant Reveals Recent Structuring by Culture

[Avoice]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #116]

It doesnt change the fact that the so-called Palestinians latched onto the name as their own identity. When in reality anyone living in Palestine was a Palestinian. That includes Christians and Jews.

It wasnt until after the ARABS ATTACKED Israel and LOST that the Arabs started using the name Palestinians as a national identity. Prior to the ARABS ATTACK on Israel (and lost) the name Palestinian was used to mean anyone living in Palestine.

Like I said, when the Arabs couldnt defeat Israel militarily they cleverly got the world to believe its their land. Simply by calling themselves Palestinians.

[Difflugia]

It doesnt change the fact that the so-called Palestinians latched onto the name as their own identity. When in reality anyone living in Palestine was a Palestinian. That includes Christians and Jews.

Sure, but that wasn't your argument.

It wasnt until after the ARABS ATTACKED Israel and LOST that the Arabs started using the name Palestinians as a national identity. Prior to the ARABS ATTACK on Israel (and lost) the name Palestinian was used to mean anyone living in Palestine.

That's what I'm telling you. The vast majority of people in Palestine are ethnic Palestinians, even if you're now trying to shift your argument into claiming that it's not an ethnic designation. Regardless of involvement by anyone with ethnic roots in the Arabian peninsula, the people in Palestine, including what is now called Israel, are Canaanites and the people on the Arabian peninsula are Arabs. There's obviously some amount of admixture, as there is everywhere on the globe now, but not enough to make what you said correct in even some limited or technical sense.

Like I said, when the Arabs couldnt defeat Israel militarily they cleverly got the world to believe its their land. Simply by calling themselves Palestinians.

Yes. You said that. You were wrong, though.